Anyone Who Thinks Another Person Deserves To Be Raped Is A Knob
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I think your position is morally and intellectually indefensible and I believe I've set out a pretty clear case on the point. Most people are doing something wrong every day. It doesn't merit rape. Nothing does, because rape is a criminal and moral violation, an offense against God and state. No one deserves what no one is entitled to commit by either measure.
glorydaz
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No, I don't. It was by God's grace that I received it.
That has NOTHING to do with our suffering the consequences for our wrong doing in this life. We train our children to be accountable for their bad behavior. They suffer consequences when they do wrong. We got that from God....reaping what is sown....it is right and suffering consequences is one of the best learning tools there is. Of course, God is going to employ it.
Female empowerment = being sheep who shouldn't make an account of being sheep, expect consequences of being a sheep, or doing anything less than continue being a sheep.
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Same retarded liberal logic, as with anything else.
Rape is so bad, that I'm going to wear this shirt my baby niece wears, go get drunk, and make copious attempts at a guy I've never met. And it's everyone else' fault if something should happen!
Or, even better:
I was raped a while back, it was so horrible. Let's go make some more irresponsible choices!
~feminology~
Say what you want, but what the liberals on here are doing- you perpetuate that. If I wanted to be a misogynist, I could just agree with you all and let fate serve my hatred. Isn't that a nice slice of irony
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Same retarded liberal logic, as with anything else.
Rape is so bad, that I'm going to wear this shirt my baby niece wears, go get drunk, and make copious attempts at a guy I've never met. And it's everyone else' fault if something should happen!
Or, even better:
I was raped a while back, it was so horrible. Let's go make some more irresponsible choices!
~feminology~
Say what you want, but what the liberals on here are doing- you perpetuate that. If I wanted to be a misogynist, I could just agree with you all and let fate serve my hatred. Isn't that a nice slice of irony
glorydaz
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It's too bad that you've given up presenting a case and have decided to start scolding me instead. But, since we're being outspoken here, let's be that. You're looking at this from the perspective of a humanist, and the case you've set out is clearly that of a humanist. The case you've made is not supported by scripture, and that's why you've had to resort to scolding me. Because you say so isn't enough.
Rape is morally offensive, but so is abortion and God allows both. God allows all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons. You've simply got God in a little box and refuse to let him be God. That's evidence of a humanist right there. Anyway, your righteous indignation is noted, but I'll do as David, the prophets, and Paul did. I'll continue to ask that God reward bad behavior according to the evil done. Why? Because I believe firmly in the Godly principle of reaping what we sow. Because I trust that God knows exactly what He is doing, and neither you nor I do. Because I trust God to use whatever means necessary to turn people to Him, and to conform us into the image of the Son. I would thank God if my daughter was a stripper, and He allowed her to be raped if it got her to see the error of her ways. And it would work a lot better than a hundred lectures. Pain and suffering are great teachers.
And, unlike you, I'll not presume to dictate to God what He can or cannot do. Nor would I be so naïve as to deny that God uses evil men all the time to bring about His purposes. You won't even admit that God allows suffering....deserved or not. There's no reasoning with a man who thinks he is the decider of what God can do. I noticed you assigned bad motives to David to explain away this text....just as you assigned bad motives to me. What David says here is "indefensible" to a humanist....but he is doing what all believers are called to do. We are to ask that God give them according to their deeds.....so that reaping what they sow will come into effect and do it's work in their lives. David isn't saying this to be vindictive or because of his personal guilt. You missed the point.
Psalm 28:3-4
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts. Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts. Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.
For a moment I'll agree that someone who breaks into your home and tries to do harm to your family deserves to be shot. That scenario is not like the rape case. The deservedness of the robber getting shot would be based in your right to defend yourself and your family. If you attack someone then you may come away hurt or not come away at all. There is no comparable element in the dancer/rape scenario.
ClimateSanity
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You made an excellent case. You could beat him in a court of law.
The point isn't that all victims of rape are innocent, morally and legally. The point is that nothing they are doing at the time means they deserved to be raped. They are two separate issues.
'Reaping what you sow' and 'deserved outcome' are two different entities, but I doubt this conversation would have gone in any other direction period if it were stated otherwise.
Because society is built in a way where young women are basically immune to accountability. All this stuff comes right from college feminist hipsters, who even try to rationalize a concept that a woman can change her mind after sex and call it rape or that yes can sometimes mean no and the male should suffer consequences.
Absurdity.
This goes along with the last post I just made. So would you say that a stripper could reap being raped but wouldn't deserve being raped?
There's no point in making the same points again and again. I wouldn't have gone into it at all except in response. Scolding? I'm simply taking a strong exception to your thinking on the matter.
You should stop trying to do that. I object to your notion as a Christian, not a humanist.
God doesn't stop us from sinning. It doesn't follow that He desires our sin. So allow in the sense you're using it can be misleading.
Saying that God won't commit a rape or command one isn't a box, except in as much as recognizing what the Holy and Good are is a box. And it's your "all kinds of reasons" that begins to suggest a connection between God and sin that isn't acceptable or rationally defensible.
No, it isn't.
He will, but often not in this life. And you should never assume that a rich man is righteous and the suffering are rebellious.
Ultimately many will, though if you rely on the cross you won't, thank God.
You can trust His house to be undivided, too. Evil will never enter into it as a means.
I'm stopping right there, because that's the tragic confluence of your misapprehension on the point and it sums it better than I could else.
Quote me assigning your motives. I think you mean well, but it's still horrible thinking.
What you're arguing is indefensible to a rationalist of any stripe. It's just wrong headed for the reasons given. So David will fail and Judas betray and Peter reject and Paul struggle against a thorn...and the cross is there to catch us when we fail.
Everyone who loves good desires the end of evil and its punishment. It's understandable. But I think the cross is a more mature focus of hope and I'd pray the wicked turn from evil and are saved, that none perish but that all have eternal life. I think I'm called to that hope, but in fairness, I have Christ as an example and the cross to contemplate and the psalmist didn't.
That's the beauty of the cross, it reflects our collective, willful, evil behavior and the only means by which we can escape its consequence and find another walk.
Thank God for grace.
ClimateSanity
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She is teasing all the men with the prospect of sex. She is not a paid dancer. In less sick societies, that's exactly how a normal man wouldpercieve her actions. Today , men expect women to act slutty but not deliver.....unless you take them out and waste a wad of money on them.
ok doser
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glory, on elo:
like artie
:think:
for the same reason
they do in my neck of the woods
how about a person, high on crack, holding a shotgun, breaking into a home?
do they deserve to be shot?
you should start a callout thread like anna's :banana:
it amazes me that "Christians" ignore this
and that some retards are trying to cover this by arguing "grace" :doh:
dude :doh:
you just went full retard
never go full retard :nono:
the other two women in that scene were not raped
:think:
musta been those burqas they were wearing :idunno:
town has a strong emotional attachment to the subject - i won't speculate on the reasons why
any logical or rational argument he might have been able to make has been demolished
refusing to admit that he's wrong, he falls back on the only thing he has - unsupported declaration and emotion driven scolding
if you push it far enough, i predict that he'll put you on ignore :chuckle:
i don't give a rip whether a stripper has reaped being raped while tied with a rope and is ripe for a wrap
like artie
:think:
for the same reason
they do in my neck of the woods
how about a person, high on crack, holding a shotgun, breaking into a home?
do they deserve to be shot?
you should start a callout thread like anna's :banana:
it amazes me that "Christians" ignore this
and that some retards are trying to cover this by arguing "grace" :doh:
dude :doh:
you just went full retard
never go full retard :nono:
the other two women in that scene were not raped
:think:
musta been those burqas they were wearing :idunno:
town has a strong emotional attachment to the subject - i won't speculate on the reasons why
any logical or rational argument he might have been able to make has been demolished
refusing to admit that he's wrong, he falls back on the only thing he has - unsupported declaration and emotion driven scolding
if you push it far enough, i predict that he'll put you on ignore :chuckle:
i don't give a rip whether a stripper has reaped being raped while tied with a rope and is ripe for a wrap
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ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
full stop
elo, when you presume to tell someone what "they think", it's a good bet it's gonna be followed by some retarded nonsense
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elo-the-tard said:
and you don't disappoint :first:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
we've plowed this ground before, but one more time
if some victims of rape are not morally innocent (let's just consider the moral aspect) then what is a deserved punishment for their iniquities?
to be struck barren?
to get stds?
to be beaten but not raped?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
then argue using scriptural support instead of Merton and Lewis platitudes
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