ECT Differentiating being born-again from the Holy Spirit baptism

TulipBee

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Somehow I can understand that . . . . . understanding what?
Language-less events and you want me to explain it here? How do you explan the source of your single thought? At what point of that single thought you started to think? Don't explanation if you don't know what you're talking about
 

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Language-less events and you want me to explain it here? How do you explan the source of your single thought? At what point of that single thought you started to think? Don't explanation if you don't know what you're talking about

LOL!! And you do??LOL!! You don't even know why you were born, LOL!!
 

ZacharyB

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Quite obviously, the Disciples understood that when one is baptized into/with something,
there will be evidence that it happened; will testify of it.
How else did Paul know as is described in Acts 19 or Peter in Acts 11:14-15?
Perhaps I should testify of my first experience of receiving the Holy Spirit.
I believed the evangelist and I wept.
But, I had NO idea of what had happened (for 6 months).
But, fairly soon after receiving, I began devouring the word
... and my ideas, attitudes, opinions, etc. began changing!

Years later, I was told I was weird ...
for not realizing immediately that I had been born-again.

Years after that, I was listening to Billy Graham on TV,
and he mentioned that he didn't know he had been saved for 6 months!
That blessed me.
 

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Born to worship Jesus according to the bible but i don't remember anyone telling me that before i was born. My election is evidence that i was told that

According to the Bible?? Whose? which one? And Jesus, not God? I would say your election is unto something else you ought to get better sorted out in your thinking.
 

ZacharyB

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Nope! Something that is "again" is not "new" and Peter is an apostle of the circumcision (Galatians 2:8 KJV) not Gentiles (Romans 11:13 KJV)! Get with the program in Romans through Philemon!
First birth ... physical
Second birth ... spiritual ... born a second time ("again")

Peter was referring to the results of being born-again:
a totally new creation ...
no longer in bondage to sin + the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Now, no excuses for failing to being obedient, overcoming everything, etc.
 

ZacharyB

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in John 3:3 BORN / GENNAO means born !!
In Jesus earthly ministry it is in the AORIST TENSE and Passive Voice
and in the Subjective Mood of Possiibility ,
This means to be born of water and the spirit you would have to be there at that time
and it is the Spirit that did the ACTION and is controlled by the Subjective Mood of it ever happening !!
It seems rather exceedingly apparent that ...
possibly knowing Greek --and-- having spiritual understanding of Scripture
are mutually exclusive!
That, we can bank on, that's for sure!
 

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First birth ... physical
Second birth ... spiritual ... born a second time ("again")

Peter was referring to the results of being born-again:
a totally new creation ...
no longer in bondage to sin + the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Now, no excuses for failing to being obedient, overcoming everything, etc.


"Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto destruction; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul."
Hebrews 10:38-39 (KJV)
 

TulipBee

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According to the Bible?? Whose? which one? And Jesus, not God? I would say your election is unto something else you ought to get better sorted out in your thinking.
5-20 versions of the bible, somewhere. Why don't you read the whole thing agian and let me know if you run across it
 

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Was the Lord "quickened by the spirit" when he was raised?

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
 

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Perhaps I should testify of my first experience of receiving the Holy Spirit.
I believed the evangelist and I wept.
But, I had NO idea of what had happened (for 6 months).
But, fairly soon after receiving, I began devouring the word
... and my ideas, attitudes, opinions, etc. began changing!

Years later, I was told I was weird ...
for not realizing immediately that I had been born-again.

Years after that, I was listening to Billy Graham on TV,
and he mentioned that he didn't know he had been saved for 6 months!
That blessed me.

Ridiculous.

You were not born from above without knowing it.

You had a change of heart as the believers of the OT had.

The disciples of Christ were believers when Christ first called them, not temples of the Holy Spirit.

Born from above is Christ taking up His dwelling in your body, as the only examples of it occurring in the entire Bible is shown in the Lord coming to his Temple, first taught in stone and then in the book of Acts, and it was no secret.

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Yes, a husband is the head of his wife.

We are one Spirit with Christ in the same way that a husband and wife are one flesh.

Yes and the MAD people reject that in having invented a place for their unbelief.

They think they are members of Christ's own body itself, a cut above any of his Bride.

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