glorydaz
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And you're showing your spite by saying something about me that you have no way of knowing. I won't even dignify your foolishness with a denial.
Dozer's Fixation on Rape!
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And you're showing your spite by saying something about me that you have no way of knowing. I won't even dignify your foolishness with a denial.
genuineoriginal
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Many people believe in the concepts of "instant karma", "divine retribution", "you reap what you sow", and even "failing the Darwin test".
Because of those beliefs, it is common to say a person deserved what they got when something evil happens to them.
Your own words condemn you. I wish it were not so.
Just making sure you see what he is saying, and has been saying since the beginning of this.
He has even gone as far to say all women that are raped made a choice to be raped.
glorydaz
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Yep. And playing a blind fool has never helped the cause of women. In fact, it makes them look like emotional basket cases devoid of all common sense.
genuineoriginal
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Yes, I suppose a woman has the right to get drunk and dress up in Lady Gaga's meat dress and walk into a tiger habitat at the zoo.
It surely could never be her fault that the tiger couldn't control itself and mistook her for food.
We will put the tiger to death for being a maneater, add the woman's name to the list of saints, and call it good.
yes its common for people to use those words that way, but its not accurate.
Its the same type of use that excuses for example a black person for attacking a white person, because of what a totally different white person did (or ancestors did)
Surely that person doesn't 'deserve' to be 'punished' for something they didnt do, didnt cause and didnt ask for.
But then its excused as reaping and sowing on behalf of group think.
A rapist (actual rapist, some of the scenerios given here is not rape at all imo) is not ever less guilty of committing a crime, no matter how foolish and irresponsible the person behaved.
They didnt "cause" or "incite" another person to break the law.
glorydaz
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What? The truth hurts. Should her friend have lied and said she had done nothing wrong? :shocked:
glorydaz
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Concerning her being raped, YES!!!!
genuineoriginal
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I agree with you.
I was just pointing out why people use words like "deserve", "asked for it", and the rest.
In most cases, the people that are said to have deserved it have been acting in a reckless foolish manner and are being used as a moral lesson for others.
musterion
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I disagree with his choice of the word deserve in the last line, but otherwise...
The law broken was rape.
They didnt "cause" or "incite" another person to rape.
I agree with that 100%.
I know what he said, and i know what he means in his point.
Would you like me to be like some nutty extremist who hangs on a word, when hes said directly otherwise that he doesn't believe a rapist is less guilty no matter what she did?
Should i ignore that and just demonize him because he used a couple words improperly when his overall point is apparent? I mean i could do that and be cheap as hell and intellectually dishonest to keep on and on and on even when hes clarified his point, but it would be cheap and dishonest.
Ive been demonized here too lately because i agree that sometimes peoples poor decisions make them a target and they suffer because of their bad choices, and ive been clear that not ever is a victim the CAUSE of a crime against them.
Ive even been called a misogynist and that i have a mind like a rapist and a thief and that i care nothing for rape victims.
How do you or anyone else know whether ive been one my myself?
I don't share a lot of personal information here precisely because of how my deepest pain since ive been here was used and mocked and even accused of lying about by a few very wicked people, you saw it happening yourself.
Fact, we can suffer all kind of things when we are reckless and irresponsible. Suffering those things doesn't mean we CAUSED another person to commit a crime, it just means we created an easy opportunity sometimes, for THEM to take advantage of.
Now again, i agreed he used a poor choice of words, so what else would you like from me about it? Be specific, because if you want me to say his overall point is wrong, youll be waiting a long time, i get his POINT and i agree with THAT.
ClimateSanity
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Actually, the fictional character Josephine claimed her fictional friend deserved to be raped. Try to find doser actually making the claim he believes some women deserve to be raped. You want be able to i think. I never ran across it.
glorydaz
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Well, a hypocrite is someone who pretends to be what he/she is not. You pretend you're soft hearted when you're actually being a bleeding heart. When one's heart starts bleeding, the head stops working.
You pretend you haven't said the same thing I have said (that everyone is responsible for their own bad behavior), then turn around and accuse me of saying what I have not said. Yes, you're a hypocrite.
Arthur Brain
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Should she have said her friend deserved to get beaten raped? Yes or no?
ClimateSanity
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Actually, the fictional character Josephine claimed her fictional friend deserved to be raped. Try to find doser actually making the claim he believes some women deserve to be raped. You want be able to i think. I never ran across it.
i disagree with this, because that statement compares a man to nothing but a mere animal without the ability to control himself.
That statement takes ALL responsibility from the man for his own actions.
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