Dear Patrick Jane,
I only sent him the 7th Edition. Also to the President of Israel.
God's Best 4 U!!
Michael
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Creation vs. Evolution
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Dear Patrick Jane,
I only sent him the 7th Edition. Also to the President of Israel.
God's Best 4 U!!
Michael
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Dear DavisBJ,
Hey, what ya' up to? Haven't heard from you 4 a while. Same with gcthomas!! You both know you are always welcome here. Hedshaker stopped to say some things and we had a wonderful chat on a PM. I know you like to play recluse sometimes as far as posting on this thread. I'm proud of you that you've written so often here on this thread. But it's been over a week, I think, since I've heard from you. Same with gcthomas. Probably longer with him. Well, you take good care and hope to hear from you soon.
Much Love And Best Wishes,
Michael
Hey, what ya' up to? Haven't heard from you 4 a while. Same with gcthomas!! You both know you are always welcome here. Hedshaker stopped to say some things and we had a wonderful chat on a PM. I know you like to play recluse sometimes as far as posting on this thread. I'm proud of you that you've written so often here on this thread. But it's been over a week, I think, since I've heard from you. Same with gcthomas. Probably longer with him. Well, you take good care and hope to hear from you soon.
Much Love And Best Wishes,
Michael
Dear 6days,
Hey, check out my copy of part of an article. I figured the whole article would be too long for a post here. I could hardly put something that long in a post, much less more. It's pretty good reading though. It's damn good writing. I'm proud of him {the author} for presenting it so well. What do ya' think?? Will chat with you soon!!
Much Love & Prayers,
Michael
Hey, check out my copy of part of an article. I figured the whole article would be too long for a post here. I could hardly put something that long in a post, much less more. It's pretty good reading though. It's damn good writing. I'm proud of him {the author} for presenting it so well. What do ya' think?? Will chat with you soon!!
Much Love & Prayers,
Michael
Dear Michael,
I’m back, at least temporarily. I was gone for a week, had to do some travelling that kept me busy and out of touch. A couple of nights ago I actually overnighted in a quaint little burg called Phoenix, Arizona as I was on my way through on I-10. But after I woke up in the morning in the motel (just off I-10 close to N 51st Ave), I remembered something someone once told me about a really big earthquake that was due to occur in Phoenix real soon. So, out of an abundance of caution, I soon vacated the area, continuing west on I-10. (The person who told me the bit about the earthquake has a pretty clear history of failed prophecies, so I wasn’t actually too worried.)
Anyway, thanks for the concern.
Michael, speaking about who you sent your book to, you said:
I have the 7th Edition, and the copyright is shown as Dec of 2014. Yet way back in post 600, in mid-2013 to noguru you said:
That kinda sounds like the copy you sent to POTUS must have been either the 6th Edition or even maybe the 5th Edition (which I have, copyrighted Feb of 2012). Can you confirm which copy you sent to POTUS? Hate to have him thinking that there were lots of previous “Adams” on the earth before the Adam spoken of in Genesis.
Ha-ha, so predictable aren't you guys. I knew you'd be making up lame excuses why all of this should just be ignored.
I feel like I'm wasting my time trying to point you to the right direction, but whatever, maybe someone out there will finally listen to that cognitive dissonance........
Putting aside all the unrealistic matters with the arc itself that even a 5-year-old finds remarkably suspicious :devil:
Let's hit it:
1) so where is all that "evidence" for a flood? You are being asked to produce any for decades and so far - nothing.
2) sure there's enough water to mathematically cover the earth if you just decide that it was flat. Unfortunately for you there is still no other reason than MAGIC for the entire earth to have been flat merely 4000 years ago.
3) try burying some seeds for a year under water - see how that works out for you
- try finding some food for all the animals AND the humans immediately after all grown vegetation is gone.
4) yeah, but why the huge diversity in places with very similar climate, if I may ask
- will someone, just please, someone, think about the koalas
5) http://www.rmtrr.org/oldlist.htm
6) "not going back more than 10 000 years - and even there the dating is wrong."
thanks for proving my point.
oh, and just in case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Djoser
7) aha, so if it contradicts you bible - it must be fake.
Interesting that this point, which in itself is kind of minor in comparison to all the others triggers your last resort defense mechanism. But luckily we still have China.
8) Says every evilutionist! No, really, this is contradicted by pretty much everything we know about population dynamics, culture, language. Just think about it, 4000 years ago you already had some blossoming civilizations like: Egypt, Maya, China, Indus, Greek etc. all over the globe, having a large population, diverse culture, agriculture. How much time do you reckon the inbred offspring of some 8 individuals stuck in Anatolia need to accomplish that and to adapt their ethnic features, huh?
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Hey Duke... I think you might have misquoted me? I don't recall saying everything you attribute to me. Perhaps I just had too much coffee today. Anyways....
What you actually mean is that you have a different interpretation of the evidence.
Ex...Most if not all scientists admit the whole earth has been under water at some time. But since most reject God's Word they say it was not all at same time.*
Here is a seed for thought..... distant volcanic islands spring up and soon are covered in lush vegetation. Where did the seeds come from?*
Genetic drift, natural selection,, sexual selection, loss of genetic info, rapid adaptation.
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/who-ruled-ancient-egypt-when-most-precise-timeline-yet-8C11071362
http://www.displaceddynasties.com/
https://answersingenesis.org/archae...t-egyptian-chronology-prove-bible-unreliable/
You have a problem. You don't know what evidence is. Evidence is fossils, sedimentary layers, eye witness testimony etc.The Duke said:
What you actually mean is that you have a different interpretation of the evidence.
Ex...Most if not all scientists admit the whole earth has been under water at some time. But since most reject God's Word they say it was not all at same time.*
Strawman...nobody has argued that.*The Duke said:
I'm sure you think your arguments are wonderful...and in a way this argument is good .... but not realistic. It's true that most seeds would not survive a year soaked in water. There are many ways seeds can survive long periods though correct? *The Duke said:
Here is a seed for thought..... distant volcanic islands spring up and soon are covered in lush vegetation. Where did the seeds come from?*
The Duke said:
Genetic drift, natural selection,, sexual selection, loss of genetic info, rapid adaptation.
http://creation.mobi/tree-ring-dating-dendrochronologyTheDuke said:
Oh?... just in case...The Duke said:
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/who-ruled-ancient-egypt-when-most-precise-timeline-yet-8C11071362
http://www.displaceddynasties.com/
https://answersingenesis.org/archae...t-egyptian-chronology-prove-bible-unreliable/
Yes, fortunately we still have China.The Duke said:
Hundreds of years...consistent with God's Word and the dispersion at Babel. *Also consistent with God's Word is the extreme intelligence of some of these ancient cultures.The Duke said:
Dear patrickj,
If I'm being watched, I don't care, as long as they see my girlish figure. Heeeheeeehee! If I'm on radar, it doesn't faze me. So how are you doing? I had to take the thread back, patrickj, because you aren't taking good care of it. I'm glad you posted today, but you are neglecting to answer important posts here on this thread. This thread is getting long and pretty soon, I'm going to have to break it up and put half of it in the archives. See what happens. I will need Knight's help though. Hey, you take excellent care of yourself and be joyful, knowing our Savior will return soon. Yippee!! Will chat with you in a bit!!
Tons Of Love Coming At You,
Michael
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Dear BJ,
I live a few miles from where you were. You should have let me know and you could have stayed here overnight for FREE as many nights as you needed to. Where were you going?? Mexico?? You can see how poor they are just by crossing the border. But now, you need a passport. The 3 times I went, I didn't need a passport. Just a car to get you there. Then you drop your car off in parking in the U.S. and walk over the border, so your car isn't stolen or broken into. You leave it in Mexico and they will strip the parts off of it, or just steal the car and head south. Hot Wire it. Where do you live? How did you end up going through Phoenix? We could have seen each other in a few minutes. I could have buzzed down to I-10 and 51st Ave. I live off of 34th Drive, so it's close. I'm maybe a mile from I-10. Hope you had a pleasant journey checked out all of the saguaro cacti. Tons of saguaros!! And other cacti. Well, you take care buddy and next time PM me, and I will give you my phone no. and address.
Splendid Wishes For You!!
Michael
Dear DavisBJ,
Thanks for your concern. Yes, I sent them my 7th Edition. It's got Jesus coming with the clouds of Heaven. It took me forever to find that kind of cover. It cost me $200 just to use that 'photo cover.' I'm very glad I did. It's almost the same as my Avatar here. My Avatar here has stars whizzing by in it. My book cover does not. It's okay though.
Warmest Regards,
Michael
correct, not misquoted, but appended to iouae's post, which I was not able to quote, cause he answered inside my quote instead of writing text outside of it.
so you still cannot provide any, then?
If I remember correctly, I've already explained to you that your book isn't evidence (sorry again)
Interpretation is also an unsuitable expression for the task of evaluating evidence. This too has been explained to you many times but seems to fall on deaf ears.
out of curiousity, you don't happen to have any references, do you?
Oh how I love your strawmen :the_wave:
so in other words, you have no answer and won't even bother to correct what I'm supposed to have misrepresented. nice.
thank you
surviving long periods and surviving long periods soaked is not quite the same, wouldn't you agree? I can also notice that you chose not to address the second part of my remark, eh.
I'm no expert on volcanic islands, but I'd wager the vegetation matches the one found on the nearest mainland and would be of the type that spreads its seed via wind.
cool, so you actually accept evolution!
Now all you need is to adjust the rates and take into consideration plate tectonics and you're there
yeah, here's a quote from that gem:
"However, when the interpretation of scientific data contradicts the true history of the world as revealed in the Bible, then it’s the interpretation of the data that is at fault."
I've said what I (and every grown-up) has to say about this approach. But thanks, I'm beginning to understand why your mind is so poisoned.
Perhaps you'd like to elaborate why you've decided to abandon geocentrism but are so stubborn when it comes to the age of the earth?
How beautiful. This is the core of why creationism is so anti-science. Instead of looking into the world and drawing the conclusions, you start with the bible and set unachievable targets. No matter how you look at it, regardless of how "intelligent" these cultures are supposed to be, the only way for 100000s of people to spread around the globe and "quickly adapt" in a span of 100s of years is wishful thinking and deliberate ignorance.
over & out.
Michael, I never took your thread, you said you gave it to me and I gave to BJDavis. He's the best and cares the most it seems. You took your own thread back from yourself. It's yours no matter what you do or say. Watch out for the cyber secret service watching you. The FBI and the CIA plus NSA and Homeland Security, they are all keeping tabs on every move. Gotta go, talk to you soon, good thread !
Dear patrick jane,
Hey, I know that DavisBJ is a good guy, but he is an atheist, so it is not possible for him to own this pro-theist thread. Otherwise, I would have given it to him instead. I had my computer worked on tonight by a computer specialist and it is running at optimum performance. I know that Derf will be happy about that. Well, you take good care and I'll chat with you again soon!
Much Love, In Jesus Christ,
Michael
Dear DavisBJ,
Every time I write a new Edition, I send a copy of it to the POTUS and the President of Israel. Just as I give copies of my books to my friends. So there is no qualms about what I've said. A friend of mine in Ohio wants me to send her a copy of my new 7th Edition also. She has like, the 3rd or 4th Edition or so. That was quite a while ago. I'm going to mail her out a copy in a few days. If the post office is too busy because of Christmas, then I will mail it when the lines aren't that long. There is no big rush about it. I just talked with her today. We used to talk with each other with the web cam and Yahoo Messenger and a headset with a mic. We had a blast. Well, I'll go ahead and get going. Were you going to southern California? Like L.A.? Remember, I told you there would be a big one there soon also. OK, I've got to get going. My back is aching {lower back}. Nice to hear from you. Looks like you've had quite a drive!
Best Of Wishes And Blessings,
Michael
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We disagree.TheDuke said:
Eye witness testimony is considered as part of the evidence. History books are considered as part of the evidence and help to confirm events of the past
Haha... well you can call it whatever you like, but scientists have only one set of data / evidences, often 'evaluating' it, then coming up with opposing interpretations. *(For example the lemur fossil - Ida)TheDuke said:
Greg...rather than me keep proving you wrong with references. ..how about you use use Google and do a little research yourself. For starters, try find just one mountain range in the world that does not have marine fossils. Even Mt Everest has.TheDuke said:
If you misrepresent what was said, to try re-frame an argument into something you feel you can handle --- I will keep calling it.TheDuke said:
OK. ..TheDuke said:
You said "sure there's enough water to*mathematically cover the earth if you just decide that it was flat. Unfortunately for you there is still no other reason than MAGIC for the entire earth to have been flat merely 4000 years ago."
STRAWMAN because nobody has argued that the earth was flat 4000 years ago. What I did say is that there is enough water to cover a flat earth to a depth of 3 kilometres.*
What God's Word tells us is that the earth which existed at that time was under about 20 feet / 7 meters at the shallowness point. Water drained off the land as the mountains rose and valleys sank. Psalm 104.
Volcanic islands around the world such as Tahiti and Hawaii are covered in a wide array of lush vegetation and tropical trees. Some seeds such as coconut can survive long periods at sea. Some seed is likely dispersed in bird droppings but perhaps many arrive on floating mats of debris.TheDuke said:
TheDuke said:
I accept evolution... sure if you mean the items I mentioned which are part of observable science and consistent with God's Word. But if you mean evolution as in the unobservable and somewhat psuedoscientific *belief system of 'goo to you'... no.
(Evolutionists love the fallacy of equivocation)
Time for some history lessons forya.TheDuke said:
Science has a way of proving the Bible correct... and in fact modern science seems to have got a jump start from people who believed the Bible to be literally true.*
Modern science in today's world is also exciting for the Christian, providing an avenue of worship as we marvel at the sophistication, and design of things like the cell and our eyes - proving evolutionists such as Darwin and Dawkins wrong
We can look at many, many examples where evolutionists interpretations were wrong and God's Word correct .*
Example:
Many evolutionists argued our eyes had a sloppy backwards inefficient design.
Had they started with the truth of God's Word they could have saved themselves egg on their face. Opthamogists and researchers are beginning to realize that our eyes have an "optimal design". The evolutionist argument has been proven wrong because it was based on their belief system and a lack of knowledge.
Is it easy to beat up on all your strawmen? The Bible says nothing about geocentrism. ..it does talk about the age of the earth.Strawman Jennings said:
Strawman Jennings said:
Mr Jennings. ...evolutionism and creationism are beliefs the past. Both sides examine the same evidence but interpret according to their starting bias belief about origins.*Keep in mind how archaeology and other sciences keeps showing that the data is consistent with The Bible. (Archaeology keeps showing the history is correct / Biology keeps showing rapid adaptation is the correct model, etc).
Keep in mind that it is evolutionism that science keeps proving wrong.Keep in mind that virtually everything evolutionists believed at the time of the famous Scopes trial has been proven wrong by science. Yet, evolutionists still believe. Science continues proving evolutionists beliefs wrong, yet they still believe. How can this be? Evolutionism has too much plasticity to be called science. Evolutionism is not falsifiable, and is more like a dense fog that covers any landscape.
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I don’t recall anyone in the Bible, speaking about the creation, personally saying “Here is what I saw.” Who you got in mind?
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