ECT Is your pastor deceiving you, or is he just ignorant?

heir

heir

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fzappa13 said:
You have rightly called yourself a divider.
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Yep!

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Get saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV, Ephesians 2:4-9 KJV, Titus 3:4-7 KJV) and consider what Paul says (2 Timothy 2:7-8 KJV) and you can too!
 
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ZacharyB

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Right Divider said:
The catching away has NOT occurred yet.
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That's for sure!
But, you're missing the whole point.
The Christians in other countries who have been persecuted
so much that they have had their heads chopped off,
were not raptured out of their time of great trouble!
AAAAAH, but you're American ... a special case ...
American believers will be raptured outta here, right?
 
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ZacharyB said:
That's for sure!
But, you're missing the whole point.
The Christians in other countries who have been persecuted
so much that they have had their heads chopped off,
were not raptured out of their time of great trouble!
AAAAAH, but you're American ... a special case ...
American believers will be raptured outta here, right?
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You appear to be a completely unintelligent human. :loser:

You are completely clueless as to the Biblical doctrine that you are criticizing. The "catching away" is not about avoiding trouble. It is about what God is doing and going to do. And is has NOTHING to do with what country you live it.

God is CURRENTLY offering His grace FREELY to any and all. There will come a time when this offer will expire and God will pour out His wrath on an ungodly world. When that time comes, God will withdraw His ambassadors and WAR will be begin.

Crack open a Bible and read all about it.
 
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ZacharyB

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Right Divider said:
The "catching away" is not about avoiding trouble.
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That's what you think!
Today's church is totally asleep for several reasons, one of which is:
they are waiting to have their false belief come to fruition, which is ...
they will be raptured out of here and will miss all of the trouble coming their way!

The shock of realizing they have been lied to will cause many to fall away!
If they do miraculously escape this ...
then they will need to refuse to take the mark of the beast, for if they do not refuse
... they will have fallen away from the faith, and be thrown into the lake of fire (Rev 14).
 
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Cedarbay

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ZacharyB said:
That's what you think!
Today's church is totally asleep for several reasons, one of which is:
they are waiting to have their false belief come to fruition, which is ...
they will be raptured out of here and will miss all of the trouble coming their way!
The shock of realizing they have been lied to will cause many to fall away!
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Indeed.
 
Right Divider

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ZacharyB said:
That's what you think!
Today's church is totally asleep for several reasons, one of which is:
they are waiting to have their false belief come to fruition, which is ...
they will be raptured out of here and will miss all of the trouble coming their way!

The shock of realizing they have been lied to will cause many to fall away!
If they do miraculously escape this ...
then they will need to refuse to take the mark of the beast, for if they do not refuse
... they will have fallen away from the faith, and be thrown into the lake of fire (Rev 14).
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Once again, you cherry-pick your scripture and miss what God is doing now. You fight against some straw-man myth.

WE (members of the body of Christ) have been RECONCILED to God by trusting what He did for us.
2Co 5:17-21 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (18) And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; (19) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (20) Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. (21) For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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You need to get reconciled.

This is what the "catching up" is all about. It is God recalling His ambassadors before the outbreak of war with the rest of the world.

Get saved.
 
heir

heir

TOL Subscriber
ZacharyB said:
That's for sure!
But, you're missing the whole point.
The Christians in other countries who have been persecuted
so much that they have had their heads chopped off,
were not raptured out of their time of great trouble!
AAAAAH, but you're American ... a special case ...
American believers will be raptured outta here, right?
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We were never promised that we would not suffer persecution (we shall 2 Timothy 3:12 KJV) or face tribulations (we glory in them Romans 5:3-5 KJV), but the wrath to come, we are NOT appointed to (Romans 5:9 KJV, 1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV)!

Get saved and get your facts straight (2 Timothy 2:7-8 KJV, 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV).
 
heir

heir

TOL Subscriber
ZacharyB said:
That's what you think!
Today's church is totally asleep for several reasons, one of which is:
they are waiting to have their false belief come to fruition, which is ...
they will be raptured out of here and will miss all of the trouble coming their way!

The shock of realizing they have been lied to will cause many to fall away!
If they do miraculously escape this ...
then they will need to refuse to take the mark of the beast, for if they do not refuse
... they will have fallen away from the faith, and be thrown into the lake of fire (Rev 14).
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Those in the Body of Christ are saved (1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 2:4-9 KJV) and secure (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV). There's nothing to be lost, but reward at the judgment seat of Christ (1 Corinthians 3:10-15 KJV).
 
heir

heir

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SaulToPaul said:
I do not know how those who mix the Bible all together can study it and remain sane. It would drive me nuts to study it with the idea that all of it was for my obedience.
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There's just no way it can be as it doesn't all say the same thing!
 
Right Divider

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SaulToPaul said:
I do not know how those who mix the Bible all together can study it and remain sane. It would drive me nuts to study it with the idea that all of it was for my obedience.
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I think that a big part of it is that many here on TOL do not respect God's choice of Israel and cannot see that they will be restored. The book of Revelation is just completely saturated with "Israelisms" and they just completely ignore every single one (eg. synagogue of Satan).
 
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