Threads like this prove birth control's used no where near often enough.
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Threads like this prove birth control's used no where near often enough.
Jose Fly
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One of the characteristics of fundamentalists is an obsession with sex. The OP personifies that very well.
The belief is that contraception encourages sex. IMO, lack of information (in regards to sex education) encourages sex.
ok doser
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Sitamun
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Recognized by whom? What exactly is bad?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
people that aren't retards
std's, unwanted pregnancies, women who think their worth is tied to their ability to have sex, etc, etc
Sorry, but this is absolutely ludicrous, and full of straw men to boot .
It's one thing to be opposed to abortion, but to be also opposed to contraceptives is unbelievably stupid . Contraceptives PREVENT abortions .
This is like wanting to prevent driving fatalities and also wanting to make seat belts and air bags illegal . Absolutely insane !
Social conservatives are anti-freedom . They literally want the government in everyone's bedroom . They are fanatical authoritarian
fascists .
The highest abortion rates are found in poor countries where abortion is illegal and where poor people have no access to contraceptives !
What gay people do in private as consenting adults is no business of
anyone else , least of all the police, the courts and the government .
Being a social liberal does NOT necessarily mean you are an atheist , although some are .
Social liberals want to PREVENT as many abortions as possible .
They just realize that trying to stop abortion by making it illegal is disastrously counterproductive and that laws against abortion are totally unenforceable .
They do NOT approve of people who live licentious , sexually irresponsible lives . They just realize that sex outside of marriage has always been common and always will and that it is totally unrealistic to expect all people to refrain from sex who are not married .
The problem with social conservatives is that they have totally unrealistic expectations are goals where it comes to human sexuality and marriage .
They want a world where there is no sex before or outside of marriage , no abortion, no divorce, no homosexuality , no use of contraceptives , no pornography or even tasteful erotica,
and where everyone goes to church on Sundays, watches only G-rates movies and television , everyone is married and has a nice,big contented family and everyone lives happily ever after .
Sheesh ! Such a world has never existed , nor will it ever .
and to try to force America to be like this would be absolutely disastrous .
It's one thing to be opposed to abortion, but to be also opposed to contraceptives is unbelievably stupid . Contraceptives PREVENT abortions .
This is like wanting to prevent driving fatalities and also wanting to make seat belts and air bags illegal . Absolutely insane !
Social conservatives are anti-freedom . They literally want the government in everyone's bedroom . They are fanatical authoritarian
fascists .
The highest abortion rates are found in poor countries where abortion is illegal and where poor people have no access to contraceptives !
What gay people do in private as consenting adults is no business of
anyone else , least of all the police, the courts and the government .
Being a social liberal does NOT necessarily mean you are an atheist , although some are .
Social liberals want to PREVENT as many abortions as possible .
They just realize that trying to stop abortion by making it illegal is disastrously counterproductive and that laws against abortion are totally unenforceable .
They do NOT approve of people who live licentious , sexually irresponsible lives . They just realize that sex outside of marriage has always been common and always will and that it is totally unrealistic to expect all people to refrain from sex who are not married .
The problem with social conservatives is that they have totally unrealistic expectations are goals where it comes to human sexuality and marriage .
They want a world where there is no sex before or outside of marriage , no abortion, no divorce, no homosexuality , no use of contraceptives , no pornography or even tasteful erotica,
and where everyone goes to church on Sundays, watches only G-rates movies and television , everyone is married and has a nice,big contented family and everyone lives happily ever after .
Sheesh ! Such a world has never existed , nor will it ever .
and to try to force America to be like this would be absolutely disastrous .
Contraceptives, when used correctly, prevent pregnancies ... and diseases. However, that does not equate to safe sex.
In reality, there is no such thing as safe sex ... just safer sex. Being that some marriages include adultery, that would go for married couples as well.
Rhythm method.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
have sex with your cheating spouse only when they're not infectious?
As the old wag goes, we have a word for people who use that. It's "parents.":chuckle:
Jose Fly
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If that's what you want to use, go right ahead. No liberal will try and pass legislation to stop you from using the rhythm method.
But as we see in this thread, conservative Christians take it one rather large step farther. It's not good enough for them to make their own choices, they want to dictate everyone else's sex lives too.
Not only is an obsession with sex a trait of fundamentalists, so is authoritarianism.
Jose Fly
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And as if to perfectly illustrate my point about fundamentalists' obsession with sex...
Anti-Choice Organizer: Defund Planned Parenthood Because 'Its Sexual Ethic Is Corrupted'
These people are nothing more than sex-obsessed Puritans.
Anti-Choice Organizer: Defund Planned Parenthood Because 'Its Sexual Ethic Is Corrupted'
These people are nothing more than sex-obsessed Puritans.
Quincy
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I don't think they're linked. Since the topic of sex is mentioned in the OP, consider this.
It's not that sex is expected of people nor is there a lack of people who understand that abstaining is a virtue. What happens is you have the group who do manage to abstain but you have a larger group that either fail to do so or they just don't care. Because they outnumber the folks who abstain, you end up with the belief that sex is just going to happen with most people and it does. Contraception and abortion are tools that get implemented to deal with the results of it.
There's what ought to be and reality, you have to hope for the first and deal with the latter. People who support ways of preventing pregnancy or unwanted births aren't practially atheists, instead they're solving problems the best way they know how. If someone knows of a better way to do with the reality of a hypersexual culture that people will actually do, I hope they come forward with it.
It's not that sex is expected of people nor is there a lack of people who understand that abstaining is a virtue. What happens is you have the group who do manage to abstain but you have a larger group that either fail to do so or they just don't care. Because they outnumber the folks who abstain, you end up with the belief that sex is just going to happen with most people and it does. Contraception and abortion are tools that get implemented to deal with the results of it.
There's what ought to be and reality, you have to hope for the first and deal with the latter. People who support ways of preventing pregnancy or unwanted births aren't practially atheists, instead they're solving problems the best way they know how. If someone knows of a better way to do with the reality of a hypersexual culture that people will actually do, I hope they come forward with it.
A loving marriage for life, between one man, one woman and before God. If children come along, whether planned or by accident, they stand a better chance of being cared for in a committed relationship
In the UK, around twenty percent of three year old children, do not live with both their biological parents. By the time the child is fifteen, about half of them, will not be living with both their biological parents. Those children still living with both parents, must almost be living in fear of their parents splitting up, when they see how many of their mates are from separated families.
Children want to be in a loving relationship with parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, uncles and aunts. I see the aftermath of family breakdowns, and it seems so sad, these bigger relationships also tend to break down too.
Quincy
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I agree, marriage is what ought to be and children really deserve a loving family to surround them. It is sad that reality turns out different for many folks. We still need to deal with the reality of unwanted pregnancies, though.
Making sure they don't happen in the first place might be a nice place to start.
TracerBullet
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The bigotry you champion is a disgusting social and spiritual disease. It is utterly repulsive in every way and has no redeeming qualities.
Quincy
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Indeed, that's why contraception is so important. I wonder what the real reason is when it comes to some Christians being against it. Apparently, everyone is a horrid sinner by nature yet they are capable of abstaining, easily. Makes no sense.
PureX
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It has been my observation over the years that when there is this kind of 'disconnect' between our ideals, and our actions, that BOTH of them need to be altered if we really want to achieve alignment. We humans are a kind of hybrid between animal and ideology. And it's unhealthy and unwise for us to try to be all or only one or the other. So we need to find ways to conjoin these two different modes of our existing.
The folks who claim that young adult homo sapiens should decline sexual interaction for 5 - 10 years when their bodies are experiencing sexual lust at their most intense levels of their lives, is just unrealistic. Yet at the same time, it is true that it's at exactly this time of life that we humans are LEAST capable of making reasonable, healthy decisions about how, when, and with whom to engage in sexual activity. So that the admonishment is not unfounded, or invalid, it's just unrealistic.
Leaving us with a need to find ways of accommodating both the facts of our existence, if we can, to make the most of ourselves and our lives. And contraception is a big tool in helping us do that, because it can mitigate our mistakes. And we can't learn without making some mistakes. But also, so would be a strident social taboo against pre-pubescent and pubescent sexual interaction. So a balance will need to be found between these two realities, and some variability built into it, as well, to accommodate the difference in our individual natures. And it seems that this is what we have been striving for in our current society for some time.
"Just say no" isn't going to work for us any better than saying "anything goes". So most of us are saying neither. We're looking for the balance between the two that works best for us both individually, and socially. And I think that makes sense.