beloved57
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One must have already believed in Christ to Call upon His Name, Rom 10:14 makes that clear! How can you Call on someone you have not believed in?
How Jesus Justifies Ungodly Sinners and Reconciles the World unto God
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One must have already believed in Christ to Call upon His Name, Rom 10:14 makes that clear! How can you Call on someone you have not believed in?
On the day of Pentecost they heard the Gospel, they believed the Gospel and they were saved, Acts 2:41.
In the Old Testament they believed in God's promise of a savior and were justified by faith, Romans 4:3.
beloved57
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You must be born of God to hear Gods words John 8:47!
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Abraham's faith was tested. Abraham's faith was not made complete unless what he did. His actions worked together with his faith---that is all scripture.
beloved57
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Those Christ lived and died for are reconciled to God and made righteous solely by Christ death for them, while they are still enemies! Rom 5:10,19
Your doctrine is more Catholic than it is Christian.
You apparently believe that it is faith plus your works. The Bible teaches no such thing.
"But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.
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Enemies does not mean 'unbelievers'.
Many knew of God and still did not obey.
Sin is what makes us separate from God.
Adam and Eve believed there was a God, but they still had to obey.
The Gentiles were enemies because they did not convert to Judaism and get circumcised in the flesh, and they did not do the rest of the ceremonial works to make themselves clean, just to be able to go to the temple where God's Spirit was.
Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
See, Jesus did not make the Gentiles get circumcised first before he would save them. He saved them while they were disobedient and uncircumcised.
John 8:47 Jesus was speaking to the unbelieving Pharisees.
Were the 8000 Jews that heard and believed the Gospel on the day of Pentecost God's people? Some of which had participated in the crucifixon of Christ, Acts 2:36.
Of course not. The Holy Spirit convicted them of their sins and they accepted Christ as their savior, Acts 2:41.
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The works that is spoken of is the work of circumcising in your flesh, adhering to a special diet, observing special days, giving offerings, doing special baths, and sacrificing animals.
No one is saved by doing those works anymore. That is the "without works".
We still have to obey God and abstain from evil and do what is right.
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That is right, we must be born again.
Do you know how one is born again?
Do you know what born again means?
Born again is getting a new life and a new start.
How do we get that new life and new start?
We get that new life and new start by believing and repenting of our sins to God through Jesus.
beloved57
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Yes it does mean unbelievers, for they are enemies in their minds by Wicked works Col1:21
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Please do not defend your beliefs by adding to God's written Word.
I implore you to be careful.
2 Corinthians 5:11 Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade others. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience.
The law demands that you be perfect. This is why Paul said to the Galatians, "Do you not hear the law?" Anything less than perfection is sin.
To be under the law is to be under condemnation.
beloved57
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It doesn't matter who Jesus was speaking to, one must be of God to hear Gods words! Jn 8:47!
beloved57
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beloved57
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Enemies in the mind by Wicked works Col1:21 !
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We do not have to have any understanding to obey God, Proverbs 3:5.
We just have to want to be saved.
So how do we be born again?
We do what Jesus says.
As little lambs we just follow.
Where is Jesus leading us?
Jesus leads us to the Father.
How do we get there?
What does Jesus tell us to get there?
Jesus tells us to believe and obey.
Obey what?
We are to be born again.
How?
We are to be born again by having a new life; a new life, a new life, a new life.
What is a new life?
A new life is a life that starts over without any sins.
How do we get this new life without any sins?
We get that new life without any sins by believing Jesus' blood washes us clean from the sins that we have ever committed in our life.
No one is of God without hearing and believing the Gospel.
God zapps no one with the Holy Spirit.
Before the Spirit is given God must see you in Christ, Galatians 3:2.
beloved57
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In my religion, we are made righteous by Christ obedience alone Rom 5:19 !