And we know that people do not steal vehicles, drive without licenses, always wear their seat belt and make sure their air bags work.
I don't wish to see RESPONSIBLE gun owners punished because there are idiots in the world.
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And we know that people do not steal vehicles, drive without licenses, always wear their seat belt and make sure their air bags work.
I don't wish to see RESPONSIBLE gun owners punished because there are idiots in the world.
jeffblue101
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as far as i know there aren't any liberal organizations that provide and support gun safety like the NRA does. all I see from liberals is that they want to take away a law abiding citizens constitutional right to a gun.
Yet we still have those laws, regulations, licensing, and restrictions in place. (The gun lobby sounds like big auto did when they opposed seat belts--on account of concern the public might get the idea that cars were unsafe.) You seem to be suggesting laws are pretty much useless because they're not universally followed. In other words, we shouldn't even try. You might also realize we regulate the auto industry--and use of their products--far more than we've ever regulated firearms, their manufacturers, or their buyers.
This old chestnut's trotted out as though someone's suggested penalizing current gun owners (including myself) for the actions of our latest homicidal maniac. Now, I've never actually seen that kind of punitive response put forward on TOL (in fact, I'm not even sure what you're referring to).
On top of the voluntary measures I already mentioned I don't necessarily think that mandatory licensing and training is a bad idea. (Even Tom Bite Me Clown agrees, if memory serves.) But if mandatory training to learn how best to use a deadly weapon strikes anyone as a "punishment," then I'd suggest you stay away from firearms.
Then you have no idea what you're talking about.
gcthomas
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You seem confused: my godless society has suffered only 800 firearm deaths in the last decade, during which your US had 100000. We have had just a single mass shooting since the 1989 Dunblane massacre resulted in strict gun control, and only 3 in the last 40 years. You have had 90.
I think our 'godless' society is doing well with gun control. The criminals are not routinely armed, and I haven't personally seen an armed policeman here for 15 years. Taking guns out of the equation removes the pressure for criminals to be armed, so pretty much the only armed people are inner city gangs, who are no risk to me.
I don't have a problem with *some* restrictive measures being enforced before an adult can purchase a firearm. Most are common sense.
People who have a history of violence or threatening behavior should obviously be red flagged.
Gun owners should bear some responsibility for incidents of violence should one of their family members (who lives in the home) commit a random act of violence with their firearm.
OTOH, I do not for one second believe that the anti-gun zealots would be satisfied with these types of changes. As we have seen on TOL, most want ALL guns banned and don't seem overly concerned about leaving a family vulnerable to attacks.
So common they're all opposed by the gun lobby.
They have an issue with this one too.
Yeah, well...Hitler. Or something.:noid:
Ah, see: There it is! At last. The "yeah but" school of argument:
"Yeah, these are all okay ideas...I guess...buuuuuuuuuut...they wouldn't ever shut up the real bad guys...so, we probably shouldn't bother trying them anyway."
I have no idea what TOLers you're even talking about and if anyone's seriously concerned about mass weapons confiscation in the United States, they are absolutely utterly and totally delusional.
Caledvwlch
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I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I am a professed and unashamed liberal who believes in sensible gun control, and I have never suggested on TOL or elsewhere that there should be total gun confiscation.
This Charming Manc
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I do there called police officers, don't you have them in the states?
I'm sure I saw one when he gave me a speeding ticket last time I was in the states
Is relying on the police to enforce law and order morally bankrupt?
I'm sure I saw one when he gave me a speeding ticket last time I was in the states
Is relying on the police to enforce law and order morally bankrupt?
Is relying on police helpful when someone is breaking into your home and threatening your family?
I am a moderate and see no problem with withholding guns from violent offenders and mental cases.
Caledvwlch
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It's just weird to me how vociferously people scream about their rights to own tools of death. But that's not really what we're talking about here, and I agree with your modest regulation.
Hmmm ... so if I hear someone breaking down my bedroom door, police officers are quick enough to stop the impending attack?
:think: I am thinking a bullet would be anywhere between 3 to 10 minutes faster ....
Where do you guys think you live?
Caledvwlch
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Aren't most people who are killed in their homes killed by a family member... with a legally purchased gun? Or is that one of those liberal conspiracies I keep falling for?
This Charming Manc
Well-known member
It may surprise you to know that doesn't happen every day and I don't live in fear of that eventuality.
Statistically I am a lot safer in a society where we allow the police to get on with it, than the grab a gun and do it yourself security society you seem to have.
If I do have someone break into the house and try to kill us the chances of them being armed with a gun are extremely low, we are equally balanced in terms of weapons and the situation is a lot less likely to be fatal for any party.
Statistically I am a lot safer in a society where we allow the police to get on with it, than the grab a gun and do it yourself security society you seem to have.
If I do have someone break into the house and try to kill us the chances of them being armed with a gun are extremely low, we are equally balanced in terms of weapons and the situation is a lot less likely to be fatal for any party.
jeffblue101
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unless she lives right next to a police station a bullet from a privately owned gun will always be faster.
Not happening every day doesn't keep it from happening ...