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Mickiel · Jan 24, 2016

jamie said:
The first love is the love of learning about God. Some reach a plateau in their knowledge of God's word and that's as far as they go.

Learning is not the first love of the original church; learning and consuming knowledge is a personal individual thing; that is not a first love of a church, nor should it be. Falling in love with how much you learn is selfish at its core. The first love was the good news of the gospel, that salvation has come to all of humanity, and witnessing that.

fzappa13 · Jan 24, 2016

jamie said:
The first love is the love of learning about God. Some reach a plateau in their knowledge of God's word and that's as far as they go.

I heard a Pastor put it to me this way one time. He said he was at a conference of his particular denomination and during a conversation with another pastor heard him opine that he had been in the faith 24 years. He said that he thought to himself that the gentleman had likely lived the same year over 24 times.

jamie · Jan 24, 2016

Mickiel said:
Learning is not the first love of the original church...

Sure it is, Jesus said, "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such to worship Him." (John 4:23 NKJV)

If we don't worship in spirit and truth then we are not worshiping him. So the first thing we must do to worship God is to learn the truth about who he is and why we are here.

God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24 NKJV)

Mickiel · Jan 24, 2016

jamie said:
Sure it is, Jesus said, "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such to worship Him." (John 4:23 NKJV)

If we don't worship in spirit and truth then we are not worshiping him. So the first thing we must do to worship God is to learn the truth about who he is and why we are here.

God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24 NKJV)

Well I hold no interest in convincing you of anything, you see what you see; I see differently. I see knowledge as something that puffs up the believer who throws a lot of value in it. Jesus was obviously talking about " Works", in Rev. 2:2 he said he knows their works. In verse 4 he states they left their first love. In verse 5 he admonishes, " Remember from where you have fallen, repent and " Do the first Works." He is not asking them to " Do knowledge ", or to do learning, he is referring to a work they were doing as a church, for OTHER people! That " Work" was witnessing to the people the good news of the coming Kingdom of God, free salvation.

That is the true work of the true church of God; this is not about knowledge production. Knowledge is going to naturally increase in everyone.

jamie · Jan 24, 2016

Mickiel said:
I see knowledge as something that puffs up the believer who throws a lot of value in it.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6 NKJV)

Jesus tells Ephesus type believers, "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent." (Revelation 2:5 NKJV)

Paul said, "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
(2 Timothy 2:15 NKJV)

Rightly dissecting the the word of truth requires study.

Those who don't really know the truth can easily be blown about (mislead) by fallacious doctrine.

Interplanner · Jan 24, 2016

fzappa13 said:
That's someone whose functional Bible can comfortably fit in a manila folder. They seem to gravitate to this place.

How would you possibly know what size my functional Bible was sitting at the other end of internet posts? I asked you to comment on those 10 passages/chapters, not on me. Can you see the difference?

Conversely, using your modus operandi, you seem to be limited to one section of Ezekiel.

fzappa13 · Jan 24, 2016

Interplanner said:
How would you possibly know what size my functional Bible was ...?

ummmmmmmmm ... you told me.

serpentdove · Jan 24, 2016

Mickiel said:
"The real book on Christianity is that they are not where they think they are with God; God is using them in a far different manner than they suspect."

You are en enemy of God's (2 Pe 2:1). :burnlib: We know what he's up to. You don't. Jn 15:15 :dizzy:

Mickiel said:
"A manner than none of them would agree with doing."

God is good (Ps. 31:19)--worthy of all trust (Ps. 33:21).

serpentdove · Jan 24, 2016

Mickiel said:
"Matthews 5: 1-12...People who are poor in spirit are given the Kingdom free."

Requirements of salvation include: confession (Acts 2:21), repentance (Mark 1:15), faith (John 3:14–18), regeneration (John 3:3–8), holy scripture (2 Tim. 3:15). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 543). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Mickiel said:
[Poor in spirit] "...This means spiritually weak people..."

Brokenness leads to salvation (Is. 61:1).

Mickiel said:
"...[P]eople who are in sorrow; unbelief in God is the greatest sorrow I know of."

Unbelief is caused by: sin (John 16:9), Satan (John 8:43–47), evil heart (Heb. 3:12), honor from one another (John 5:44), not belonging to Christ (John 10:26), judicial blindness (John 12:37–40). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (pp. 628–629). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Mickiel said:
"Did you know that the meek can mean the injured?"

Meekness is power under control (Jas 1:21, 3:13).

Mickiel said:
"People who hate God are seriously injured, but Jesus is still giving them eternal inheritance."

Evil men go to hell.

See:

Hell

Mickiel said:
"...[E]ternal punishing.. a merciless belief."

God is just (Deut. 32:4).

Mickiel said:
"Blessed are you when people persecute you; this means that all the believers in God who are condemning others to their hell, which is the worse persecution possible, calling them evil unbelievers, Jesus said these people are really blessed."

:yawn: John 15:19

Mickiel said:
"Just another angle to view scripture from; away from your selfish angle."

The scriptures are misused by: Satan (Matt. 4:6), hypocrites (Matt. 22:23–29), false teachers (2 Cor. 2:17), the unlearned (2 Pet. 3:16). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 550). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

serpentdove · Jan 24, 2016

Mickiel said:
[Re 2:4] ...Ephesus...But the church has lost that love for everyone.

:yawn: "Re 2:4 left your first love. To be a Christian is to love the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:21, 23; 1 Cor. 16:22). But the Ephesians’ passion and fervor for Christ had become cold, mechanical orthodoxy. Their doctrinal and moral purity, their undiminished zeal for the truth, and their disciplined service were no substitute for the love for Christ they had forsaken." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1994). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.

Mickiel · Jan 24, 2016

I am starting to notice that Christian opinion sounds like that same old song.

serpentdove · Jan 24, 2016

Mickiel said:
...One of the most serious errors Christianity has made, is to change how they worship...

Worship is responding to him (John 4:20–24). You don't worship him (Rev. 13:4–13). You attempt to blaspheme (Ps. 74:18).

serpentdove · Jan 24, 2016

Mickiel said:
I am starting to notice that Christian opinion sounds like that same old song.

Your father's going down soon.

Then Moses and the children of Israel sang this song to the Lord, and spoke, saying:

“I will sing to the Lord,
For He has triumphed gloriously!
The horse and its rider
He has thrown into the sea! Ex 15:1

opcorn:

Mickiel · Jan 24, 2016

serpentdove said:
Worship is responding to him (John 4:20–24). You don't worship him (Rev. 13:4–13). You attempt to blaspheme (Ps. 74:18).

I think we all know that blasphemy to a Christian, is when you disagree with them.

serpentdove · Jan 24, 2016

Mickiel said:
I think we all know that blasphemy to a Christian, is when you disagree with them.

:yawn: Who cares what we say? What has God said?

oly: Jn 14:6

Mickiel · Jan 24, 2016

Constantine was a Christian, but almost to his dying day, he still functioned as the " High Priest of Paganism." He retained the title of " Pontifex Maximus", which means chief of the pagan priest. This was part of the historical problems in Christianity, their leaders were some off brand dudes.

Mickiel · Jan 24, 2016

I mean the Christian history is full of pagan back round leaders. They had Clement , Tertullian, Cyprian and Hippolytus; these guys came from everywhere and mixed all kinds of things into Christianity.

Mickiel · Jan 25, 2016

serpentdove said:
:yawn: Who cares what we say? What has God said? oly: Jn 14:6

For the first time, I finally agree with you.

serpentdove · Jan 25, 2016

Mickiel said:
[Pagan influence] "...[T]hese guys came from everywhere and mixed all kinds of things into Christianity.

We root out paganism by studying God's word (2 Ti 3:16).

oly:

Mickiel · Jan 25, 2016

serpentdove said:
We root out paganism by studying God's word (2 Ti 3:16). oly:

Well I think that is true, so based on that truth, Christianity is not studying Gods word. Because its ripe with paganism. Here's a list of pagan symbols Christianity has adopted;

http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/pagan-symbols.html

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