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    King David, at the top of page 6 said:
    Who says that the REMAINING Jews whom he will save at Jerusalem do NOT or will NOT believe on or in Him (the Messiah)? They only will not know who He was or is UNTIL He reveals himself to them, and thusly fulfill Zechariah's prophecy. That is why Isaiah explains that those who are alive will be holy. All of the wicked Jews will have been killed off (see a precursor parallel among the "Jews" of ancient America when Christ appeared to them in like manner after his resurrection (3rd Nephi, 11 in The Book of Mormon)).

    Regarding "Israel", there are those who are more full-blooded literal descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to whom the promises were made, and there are those who are either of a thinner blood (blood or lineage of Israel mixed with gentile blood), or are adopted into Israel, who are so according to the covenant (they make) to keep God's law and to be counted among His children (and those of Abraham).


    (bold and underscore added)
    There is as much authority in such statements as there is in the book of Mormon! Sounds to me like disp doctrine could even have derived some of it's belief from Mormonism after reading this.

    Again, Jesus isn't coming in the clouds to save anyone who doesn't ALREADY KNOW Him!
    Last edited by rapt; August 28th, 2002 at 02:59 PM.



    Revelation 22
    14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

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    JustAChristian,

    The coming of Christ here is not the final coming but rather His coming in Judgment upon the Jewish nation. He came on the day of Pentecost after His resurrection to establish His kingdom, but it was not the final coming
    First off, Jesus did not come on the day of Pentecost, the Holy Ghost did (and God is a godhead, but NOT a trinity).

    The destruction of Jerusalem THE FIRST TIME, as I pointed out above, did NOT include the return of the Savior AT THAT TIME. However, later verses (verse 23 and on) transition to the "latter" or "last days" (OUR time). ALL of the wicked will be destroyed when Christ appears to the whole world at THIS (latter) coming, at the end of the world (which IS the destruction of the wicked, at the GREAT and LAST day).

    --KING DAVID

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    Kind David:

    ALL of the wicked will be destroyed when Christ appears to the whole world at THIS (latter) coming, at the end of the world (which IS the destruction of the wicked, at the GREAT and LAST day).
    Amen, you got that much right! But "the wicked" will include every Jew who doesn't know who Jesus is in a saving way. There won't be any value in being Jewish on THAT DAY.



    Revelation 22
    14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

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    Hey Rapt:

    You might be interested in this thread....Do Jews Believe in the Same God as Christians??

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    Originally posted by rapt


    Amen, you got that much right! But "the wicked" will include every Jew who doesn't know who Jesus is in a saving way. There won't be any value in being Jewish on THAT DAY.
    Well, as I understand it, because Jesus WILL reveal himself to the Jews PRIOR to revealing Himself to the whole world (Zechariah's prophecy), I beg to differ on the "value in being Jewish on THAT DAY." For they THEN will know as well as anybody, and far better than most EXACTLY who is their Messiah in/on THAT DAY, and will have accepted Him as such.

    Kindly,

    --KING DAVID

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    DeeDee


    Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

    Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.

    She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

    She looketh well to the ways of her computer and readeth not the book of idleness.

    Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.

    Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.

    Give her of the fruit of her spirit; and let her own works praise her in the gates.

    YOU GO GIRL YOU GO GIRL YOU GO GIRL

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    Why are people voting so soon?
    Maybe because they know an irrefutable argument when they see one

    Of course I am only referring to the people who voted for me. The other ones... well they are just being unfair. Wahhhhh!!!!

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    Hey thanx Reba!!!

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    Hey Everyone:

    I posted my reply. Please excuse the HTML coding errors. When I went in to try and edit them within my two minute time limit, my computer froze up, and by the time I got it back online... the two minutes were up.

    So I am asking Knight if he will allow me to go in and change the HTML coding error of [/blue] to [/color] as it should have been. It is not a change to the content... and I have problems with AOL seizing up on me. If not that is okay too. Whatever he decides, but please excuse the coding error.

    My doctrine may be unassailable (trash talk) but my HTML skills can use some work

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    Jerry says:

    (Dan.11:36,45)
    The verses that immediately follow reveal that at this assault on Jerusalem the people of Daniel,the children of Israel,will "be delivered":

    "And at that time shall Michael stand up,the great prince that standeth for the children of thy people,and there shall be a time of trouble,SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME; and at that time THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED,every one that shall be found written in the book"(Dan.12:1).

    So here we see a completely different assault on Jerusalem,and this attack is described in the same terms as the "great tribulation"--"such as never was since there was a nation even to the same time"(compare with Mt.24:21)--but in this instance the people of God will be delivered.[/b]
    I'm sorry, folks, but I don't see Jerusalem mentioned in Dan 12:1 at all. Do YOU?



    Revelation 22
    14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

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    Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren
    Hey Everyone:

    I posted my reply. Please excuse the HTML coding errors. When I went in to try and edit them within my two minute time limit, my computer froze up, and by the time I got it back online... the two minutes were up.

    So I am asking Knight if he will allow me to go in and change the HTML coding error of [/blue] to [/color] as it should have been. It is not a change to the content... and I have problems with AOL seizing up on me. If not that is okay too. Whatever he decides, but please excuse the coding error.

    My doctrine may be unassailable (trash talk) but my HTML skills can use some work
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    Cool

    Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren


    Maybe because they know an irrefutable argument when they see one

    Of course I am only referring to the people who voted for me. The other ones... well they are just being unfair. Wahhhhh!!!!
    Uh.... yea right

    My guess is that the intelligent people are waiting to cast their vote until the argument develops - and Dee Dee is running out of family members that can vote for her.

    Actually, I am a bit surprised I was expecting a better argument from Dee Dee after all the pleading for a debate.

    But maybe she is saving her best stuff for later? For her sake, I hope so!

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    I do think that Jerry makes a valid point about the definition of "generation". But even if "this generation" refers to the wicked of all ages, and Jesus was saying that they will "pass away" once Christ returns in glory, it still doesn't support disp doctrine of a future tribulation.

    Immediately after the tribulation that befell the Jews in 70AD, the "sun was darkended, the moon didn't give her light, the stars fell from heaven" upon them, in the same sense that those SAME TERMS were used in a non-literal way in the OT concerning unhappy and bad times:

    Ecclesiastes 12
    1 Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

    2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

    3 In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,

    4 And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;

    5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high,
    and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

    6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

    7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    We see in Isaiah 13 a picture of God's wrath upon Babylon, the ancient nation, when God strengthened the Medes against it, and where the Word speaks of the sun, moon, and stars being darkened:

    Isaiah 13
    1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.

    2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.

    3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

    4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

    5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

    6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

    7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

    8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

    9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

    10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

    11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

    12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

    13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

    14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

    15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

    16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

    17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

    18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

    19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

    20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.


    21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

    22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.
    This is FULFILLED PROPHECY.

    Before Babylon, it was Eqypt. We see the sun, moon, and stars darkened there too:

    Ezekiel 32
    1 And it came to pass in the twelfth year, in the twelfth month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

    2 Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say unto him, Thou art like a young lion of the nations, and thou art as a whale in the seas: and thou camest forth with thy rivers, and troubledst the waters with thy feet, and fouledst their rivers.

    3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will therefore spread out my net over thee with a company of many people; and they shall bring thee up in my net.

    4 Then will I leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee.

    5 And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height.

    6 I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, even to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee.

    7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

    8 All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD.


    9 I will also vex the hearts of many people, when I shall bring thy destruction among the nations, into the countries which thou hast not known.

    10 Yea, I will make many people amazed at thee, and their kings shall be horribly afraid for thee, when I shall brandish my sword before them; and they shall tremble at every moment, every man for his own life, in the day of thy fall.

    11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee.

    12 By the swords of the mighty will I cause thy multitude to fall, the terrible of the nations, all of them: and they shall spoil the pomp of Egypt, and all the multitude thereof shall be destroyed.
    It just always amazes me, having all the testimony in the OT of the sun, moon, and stars having been darkened in the non-literal sense, how disps can make the claim that it would happen LITERALLY, and suppose that it never happened before.
    Last edited by rapt; August 28th, 2002 at 08:38 PM.



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    14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

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    Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren
    Hey Everyone:

    I posted my reply. Please excuse the HTML coding errors. When I went in to try and edit them within my two minute time limit, my computer froze up, and by the time I got it back online... the two minutes were up.

    So I am asking Knight if he will allow me to go in and change the HTML coding error of [/blue] to [/color] as it should have been. It is not a change to the content... and I have problems with AOL seizing up on me. If not that is okay too. Whatever he decides, but please excuse the coding error.

    My doctrine may be unassailable (trash talk) but my HTML skills can use some work
    Knight:


    Nope... sorry!
    I think that's being downright unreasonable. If she wanted to ADD color or content, it wouldn't be, but she's not.

    Alright then, if you refuse to let her do it, then why not correct the color code yourself, Knight?



    Revelation 22
    14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

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