Rule by fiat and chopping a country in half arbitrarily doesn't sound like sunshine and lollipops to me.
My fantasy. And a question for liberals
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Rule by fiat and chopping a country in half arbitrarily doesn't sound like sunshine and lollipops to me.
WizardofOz
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You don't think he would see the others outlawed?
Anyway, this isn't about Jefferson (you are incapable of following along) it was about Christian Liberty. However it appears he is now promoting a theonomy and not a theocracy. I quoted NM as it refuted his position quite well. Then you came floundering in replying to that post when it was clearly directed at CL (not you).
You've been chasing your tail ever since.
Nothing to retract because no statement exists.
Otherwise, quote the statement that you're now imagining. Reality, meet aCW.
Just you not following along by you replying to a post clearly directed at someone else.
It can.
Now answer mine. If we were to follow CL's vision for America, that style of government would be theocratic in nature, would it not?
Our laws are based on the worldview of many. No religion is ruling our legal system. No religion has ever ruled our legal system.
CL (and many others here) want to criminalize homosexuality and execute homosexuals. What is your response to them?
I think you're missing the point.
It's a thought experiment to contrast the two views by isolating them geographically.
"Isolating"? These two countries would be side-by-side. They'd speak the same language. They'd share a common history. How "isolated" do you think they'd really be? I don't see this ending well...and whatever brought them to this point is obviously something less than pleasant.
Frankly I think half the time Jeff starts his threads just to stir some trouble up and see what happens, in which case, mission accomplished.:thumb:
Christian Liberty
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It depends on your definition of "theocracy." Its a much aligned term. Really every government is theocratic in one sense or another though. All governments are based on deep seated ideas of morality that cannot be proven.
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
It's interesting how you implied that the subject of this thread is that TOL moderator Jefferson would like to have a theocracy here in the United States, yet in his OP he said nothing about the Christian Church running the government or outlawing other religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.) besides Islam.
I have a capital idea Aaron:
Why don't you ask him?
Being that you're not a follower of Christ, you don't understand the Christian religion. Let me give it to you in a nutshell (which I've discussed with you numerous times before).
While Christians should encourage others to seriously look into Christian doctrine, there is no way that Christ can be forced into the hearts of others.
Remember those words of wisdom and you'll at least be on the road to being somewhat of a wise person Aaron.
(Silly me, and here I thought the OP was the basis of the discussion).
Yet this is the first time you've used the word "theonomy". Obviously you don't understand that there is a huge difference between the two (theonomy and theocracy).
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Do you care to retract your earlier statement about this thread's subject being about theocracy?
Look up the word "implied". Never mind the retraction, you already implied that you were confused about the subject matter of theocracy v theonomy.
i.e. "Prove I said that!" (same ole Aaron).
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
So which is it: A nation can legislate laws against things like homosexuality, pornography and abortion without being a theocracy or it can't?
Can I get that answer framed in an 8x10 glossy?
Let's not talk about a 20 year old kid's "vision for America", as his morals change depending on which cult he's currently following.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Our laws are based on someone's moral worldview which comes from religion. Currently the religion of Secular Humanism/Atheism is ruling.
Judeo-Christian doctrine was the basis of our legal system for close to 200 years; if you would like to provide evidence to refute that, please do.
I won't speak about others, as they can represent themselves. As far as the Jr. Libertarian wanting to execute those who engage in homosexual behavior:
It was established several pages back how confused the Jr. Libertarian is when it comes to the righteous role of government (while we were a society that based it's laws on Judeo-Christian doctrine, we were never a society that had a Jewish theocratic system of government).
If the Jr. Libertarian wants to stone to death some 12 year old kid who was raped as a young boy and later developed homosexual desires because of it, he'll first have to get by a 6'3" 250...ahem...ish pound Christian male in order to do so.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
It's interesting how you implied that the subject of this thread is that TOL moderator Jefferson would like to have a theocracy here in the United States, yet in his OP he said nothing about the Christian Church running the government or outlawing other religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.) besides Islam.
I have a capital idea Aaron:
Why don't you ask him?
Being that you're not a follower of Christ, you don't understand the Christian religion. Let me give it to you in a nutshell (which I've discussed with you numerous times before).
While Christians should encourage others to seriously look into Christian doctrine, there is no way that Christ can be forced into the hearts of others.
Remember those words of wisdom and you'll at least be on the road to being somewhat of a wise person Aaron.
(Silly me, and here I thought the OP was the basis of the discussion).
Yet this is the first time you've used the word "theonomy". Obviously you don't understand that there is a huge difference between the two (theonomy and theocracy).
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Do you care to retract your earlier statement about this thread's subject being about theocracy?
Look up the word "implied". Never mind the retraction, you already implied that you were confused about the subject matter of theocracy v theonomy.
i.e. "Prove I said that!" (same ole Aaron).
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
So which is it: A nation can legislate laws against things like homosexuality, pornography and abortion without being a theocracy or it can't?
Can I get that answer framed in an 8x10 glossy?
Let's not talk about a 20 year old kid's "vision for America", as his morals change depending on which cult he's currently following.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Our laws are based on someone's moral worldview which comes from religion. Currently the religion of Secular Humanism/Atheism is ruling.
Judeo-Christian doctrine was the basis of our legal system for close to 200 years; if you would like to provide evidence to refute that, please do.
I won't speak about others, as they can represent themselves. As far as the Jr. Libertarian wanting to execute those who engage in homosexual behavior:
It was established several pages back how confused the Jr. Libertarian is when it comes to the righteous role of government (while we were a society that based it's laws on Judeo-Christian doctrine, we were never a society that had a Jewish theocratic system of government).
If the Jr. Libertarian wants to stone to death some 12 year old kid who was raped as a young boy and later developed homosexual desires because of it, he'll first have to get by a 6'3" 250...ahem...ish pound Christian male in order to do so.
WizardofOz
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| A form of government in which God (or a deity) is recognized as the king or immediate ruler, and his laws are taken as the statute-book of the kingdom, these laws being usually administered by a priestly order as his ministers and agents; hence (loosely) a system of government by a sacerdotal order, claiming a divine commission; also, a state so governed |
Not so sure about that...
This doesn't define a theocracy.
WizardofOz
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:idea:
Because I couldn't care less and he rarely engages anyway.
You replied to a post aimed at CL not Jefferson. Threads evolve. Try to follow along next time.
This is how stupid you are. Talk to CL about blurring them. See the post linked in my post. He's advocated both.
:sozo: That's what was being discussed. Why did you butt in if you didn't want to discuss it?
:mock: Keyboard commando
We all know the tough guy and the 12-year-old are one in the same. It's been "implied".
We get along with Canada just fine for the most part with all the same above listed factors.
And remember, this is a thought experiment.
That's what ALL my threads are for.
Kinda the point isn't it?
acw got a star with the last rep
WizardofOz
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He said something worth a positive rep? Where?
For those who dont know:
the·oc·ra·cy
THēˈäkrəsē/
noun
noun: theocracy; plural noun: theocracies
a system of government in which priests (or others) rule in the name of God or a god.
the·oc·ra·cy
THēˈäkrəsē/
noun
noun: theocracy; plural noun: theocracies
a system of government in which priests (or others) rule in the name of God or a god.
drbrumley
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There are crimes and then there are vices. Not sure AcW can separate the two.
the Dr. just got a star !
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
I have a capital idea Aaron:
Why don't you ask him? (Jefferson if he would outlaw other religions besides Islam)
Yet you cared enough to ask my opinion.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
(Silly me, and here I thought the OP was the basis of the discussion).
Evolve? You mean like you and the Jr. Libertarian's moral code?
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Yet this is the first time you've used the word "theonomy". Obviously you don't understand that there is a huge difference between the two (theonomy and theocracy).
Now now Aaron, play nice. Admit that in our discussion (I rarely pay attention to what the kid has to say: been there, refuted that) that you not once mentioned theonomy.
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Let's not talk about a 20 year old kid's "vision for America", as his morals change depending on which cult he's currently following.
Cuz you were hell-bent on implying that those who stand for righteous laws want a therocracy.
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I won't speak about others, as they can represent themselves. As far as the Jr. Libertarian wanting to execute those who engage in homosexual behavior:
It was established several pages back how confused the Jr. Libertarian is when it comes to the righteous role of government (while we were a society that based it's laws on Judeo-Christian doctrine, we were never a society that had a Jewish theocratic system of government).
If the Jr. Libertarian wants to stone to death some 12 year old kid who was raped as a young boy and later developed homosexual desires because of it, he'll first have to get by a 6'3" 250...ahem...ish pound Christian male in order to do so.
I know all about your past Aaron and why you took boxing lessons.
We'll leave it at that.
;-)
On that note: Onto the next Libertarian.
I have a capital idea Aaron:
Why don't you ask him? (Jefferson if he would outlaw other religions besides Islam)
Yet you cared enough to ask my opinion.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
(Silly me, and here I thought the OP was the basis of the discussion).
Evolve? You mean like you and the Jr. Libertarian's moral code?
Quote:
Yet this is the first time you've used the word "theonomy". Obviously you don't understand that there is a huge difference between the two (theonomy and theocracy).
Now now Aaron, play nice. Admit that in our discussion (I rarely pay attention to what the kid has to say: been there, refuted that) that you not once mentioned theonomy.
Quote:
Let's not talk about a 20 year old kid's "vision for America", as his morals change depending on which cult he's currently following.
Cuz you were hell-bent on implying that those who stand for righteous laws want a therocracy.
Quote:
I won't speak about others, as they can represent themselves. As far as the Jr. Libertarian wanting to execute those who engage in homosexual behavior:
It was established several pages back how confused the Jr. Libertarian is when it comes to the righteous role of government (while we were a society that based it's laws on Judeo-Christian doctrine, we were never a society that had a Jewish theocratic system of government).
If the Jr. Libertarian wants to stone to death some 12 year old kid who was raped as a young boy and later developed homosexual desires because of it, he'll first have to get by a 6'3" 250...ahem...ish pound Christian male in order to do so.
I know all about your past Aaron and why you took boxing lessons.
We'll leave it at that.
;-)
On that note: Onto the next Libertarian.
Onto the next Libertarian:
Tell me a vice that is currently a crime and shouldn't be, or one in the past that was a crime and shouldn't have been (this is where the Libertarians always refer to Prohibition)
Arthur Brain
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How are people who are unable to work supposed to be 'responsible' for themselves if you deny them any sort of income? What are they supposed to live on, thin air? The random charity of others? And what the hell are you babbling about with the latter? Where exactly have I argued anything of the sort?
Arthur Brain
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:kookoo:
WizardofOz
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Try it. Ask Jefferson if he would criminalize other religions in his utopia.
You'll see that, like I said, it's a waste of time
Full stop That's your problem. You don't pay attention. I went of an earlier post, that I quoted, in which CL said he supported theocracy.
Remember how I was never talking to you yet you butted in anyway?
Remember that?
That's exactly what I was discussing. You entered a conversation that you didn't want to engage in? :hammer:
Who does that?
Two lies in one sentence. That's so...you :loser:
In the future, don't speak unless spoken to. Save us all the wasted time. :wave:
drbrumley
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How about your favorite topic, the War on Drugs. Oh wait, was that homosexuality? It's one of the two.