The Death of Religion

1Mind1Spirit

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That's beautiful Jamie! Keep on the good work and teach Robert the ABC's about his contradictions.

Robert cant see it.

His understanding is completely skewed.

We know this by his utterly vain statement that he knows how God sees all humanity.

You have no understanding that the priesthood has changed. :think:
 

Robert Pate

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But according to you, all are now in Christ. Right???


For now, God is at peace with the world and sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20.

However, when Jesus returns there will be a judgment. You will either be found in Christ or outside of Christ.

Do you ever read your Bible?
 

jamie

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However, when Jesus returns there will be a judgment. You will either be found in Christ or outside of Christ.

Those in Christ will be in the first resurrection. Those not in Christ will be in the second resurrection.
 

Ben Masada

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Those in Christ will be in the first resurrection. Those not in Christ will be in the second resurrection.

Jamie you know Jesus was a Jew and you are using him to bring to effect a Christian doctrine which is bodily resurrection. If the dead could hear what you and all Christians say about him, he would turn in the grave. Here are Jewish evidences that body resurrection does not exist: (Isa. 26:14; II Sam. 12:23; II Sam. 14:14; Job 10:21) Did Jesus ever become a Christian before he died? I don't think so.
 

Ben Masada

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Robert cant see it.

His understanding is completely skewed.

We know this by his utterly vain statement that he knows how God sees all humanity.

You have no understanding that the priesthood has changed. :think:

I do understand that the Jewish Priesthood had to cease to exist with the destruction of the Temple. Unfortunately they speak in Israel of renewing it when the Temple is rebuilt and we return to the sacrifices. If the dead could know of what is going on up here on earth, Prophet Jeremiah would turn in the grave. He said that the Lord NEVER commanded that sacrifices of animals became part of the religion of Israel. It became because Moses had to apply the concept of Pichuach Nephesh to bring the Exodus from Egypt to happen. (Jer. 7:22)
 

jamie

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There is only one resurrection, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58.

There will be two resurrections separated by a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. Revelation 20:5 NKJV)​
 

Ben Masada

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This sentence makes absolutely no sense.

If your confusion is with the concept of "Pichuach Nephesh" let me explain it to you. "Pichuach Nephesh" is a concept in Judaism which means an allowance to wave a commandment of the Law in order to fulfill another more important one. For instance to kill in order to save either one's life or that of another. Also in our case, to eat pork if we find ourselves in a literal condition of starvation without anything else to eat.

In the case of Moses, it happened that, after 430 years of slavery in Egypt, the Israelites had got so used to watch animal sacrifices that they could not think of a religion without blood sacrifices. So, when Moses showed up with the mission to cause the Exodus from Egypt, probably the People had not yet heard of sacrifices in the religion brought by Moses. Probably the Israelites would not move out if that issue was not defined. Realizing that it could be a problem, Moses used of "Pichuach Nephesh" and added the sacrifices but to be done only in the Sanctuary. The end results was that in almost every mountain height the Israelites had built altars to offer sacrifices, not to mention many other problems as a result of that allowance. Hence, Prophet Jeremiah getting sick of the consuming license to sacrifice, he revealed the secret that HaShem had never allowed that sacrifices became part of the religion of Israel. (Jer. 7:22) The Lord seemed to have honored the decision of Moses in spite of all the spiritual disaster even to cause the final fall of Israel aka the Ten Tribes which was Divinely rejected and God's People reduced to Judah only and only for the sake of God's promise to David that his Tribe would remain as a lamp forever in Jerusalem. (Psa. 78:67-70 and I Kings 11:36)
 
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Robert Pate

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If your confusion is with the concept of "Pichuach Nephesh" let me explain it to you. "Pichuach Nephesh" is a concept in Judaism which means an allowance to wave a commandment of the Law in order to fulfill another more important one. For instance to kill in order to save either one's life or that of another. Also in our case, to eat pork if we find ourselves in a literal condition of starvation without anything else to eat.

In the case of Moses, it happened that, after 430 years of slavery in Egypt, the Israelites had got so used to watch animal sacrifices that they could not think of a religion without blood sacrifices. So, when Moses showed up with the mission to cause the Exodus from Egypt, probably the People had not yet heard of sacrifices in the religion brought by Moses. Probably the Israelites would not move out if that issue was not defined. Realizing that it could be a problem, Moses used of "Pichuach Nephesh" and added the sacrifices but to be done only in the Sanctuary. The end results was that in almost every mountain height the Israelites had build altars to offer sacrifices, not to mention many other problems as a result of that allowance. Hence, Prophet Jeremiah getting sick of the consuming license to sacrifice, he revealed the secret that HaShem had never allowed that sacrifices became part of the religion of Israel. (Jer. 7:22) The Lord seemed to have honored the decision of Moses in spite of all the spiritual disaster
even to cause the final fall of Israel aka the Ten Tribes which was Divinely rejected and God's People reduced to Judah only and only for the sake of God's promise to David that his Tribe would remain as a lamp forever in Jerusalem. (Psa. 78:67-70 and I Kings 11:36)


All of that was under the Old Covenant that has been abolished, Hebrews 8:13.

Under the New Covenant, Hebrews 8:8. "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Not by rules, laws or religion.
 

Ben Masada

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All of that was under the Old Covenant that has been abolished, Hebrews 8:13.

Under the New Covenant, Hebrews 8:8. "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Not by rules, laws or religion.

But don't forget though that faith without the works of the Law are as good as a body without the breath of life, if you know what James meant in James 2:26. It means that faith must go along with the Law or you will be left out of the covenant and without salvation.
 

Robert Pate

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But don't forget though that faith without the works of the Law are as good as a body without the breath of life, if you know what James meant in James 2:26. It means that faith must go along with the Law or you will be left out of the covenant and without salvation.


The law was given by God to show us that we don't measure up to his standards and that we need a savior.

"By the law is the knowledge of sin" Romans 3:20.

There is no salvation in the law. What there is in the law is judgment.
 
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