Dinosaurs

6days said:

Correction. .. it is only evolutionists who keep looking. It is evutionists who find fossilized apes, lemurs, monkeys etc and describe them as hominids.

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Because they are hominidae: The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɨdiː/), also known as great apes[note 1] or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates that includes seven extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean and Sumatran orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and bonobo; and Homo, the human.[1]

God's Word tells us He created humans distinct from animals. We are all descendants of Adam and Eve. We are all 'one blood'

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Yes we were. We were created in His image. What is His image? (What does God look like?)

Interplanner said:

Could you explain your user name?

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There are just so many gays

Stripe said:

Welcome back, kdull. :chuckle:

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Thank you. I like that name better. In my time off you've grown no less stupid I see.
:mock: Stipe

So many gays! said:

So all scientists who disagree with your view on history are liars and fabricators? Convenient and sorry excuse that is.

And by the way, it's only YEC "scientists" who find "evidence" of a young earth or of a global flood and ark.

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You have a point about the evidence if you mean an earth as young as Usher's (the archbishop who thought the genealogy of Genesis was tight and contiguous). What 6days has not sorted out is the stage called 'formless and void' in which the window of time is wide open.

I believe the creative acts were six days. I find that when Moses bothers with details like evening and morning, he meant just that. But 'formless and void' is not being grasped by YECs even if they acknowledge that it is there and was the starting point. It is an expression that is about a complex backstory.

There are 5 features to earth when we first see it: formless, void, dark, deep waters, and the Spirit of God is not in it, but rather staying separate. All of these features, if researched through the rest of the OT, are indications of abandonment by God because of what was going on there. They are all things which are feared deeply in the Hebrew mind as indicators that God is not present, has not brought life and light. Jerusalem itself becomes 'formless and void' in its degeneration and destruction in the 8th century BC. Jer 4:23.

Turning to the NT, we find that the rebellious angels, Satan's pals, were sent off to 'blackest darkness' for confinement. This happened way before the formation of the earth we now have. It looks very much like our earth was one of these. In Job he moves freely throughout the world. In tangling with Christ, he claims authority to dispense with it as he wants. A lie, but lies are always based on some piece of truth, twisted.

6days said:

Correction. .. it is only evolutionists who keep looking

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So what do 'creation scientists' do all day then?

(I don't actually need an answer to that question, I know already).

Stuart

CabinetMaker said:

Because they are hominidae: The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɨdiː/), also known as great apes[note 1] or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates that includes seven extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean and Sumatran orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and bonobo; and Homo, the human.[1]



Yes we were. We were created in His image. What is His image? (What does God look like?)

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I'll be covering this soon in 'basic Genesis cosmology' which is a numbered series I started here.

It does not have to do with appearance as much as sovereignty or rule. Ancient kings would mark their boundaries with their image, metal or stone. It meant the area belonged to that king.

If the earth was one of the blackest darknesses that the NT mentions in 2 Pet 2 and Jude, then creation was recaptured ground from Satan, and placing man on earth in God's image was the declaration of that. Thus the OT has many choruses that "the earth is the LORD's and all it contains" or "He is King of Kings..." or "from the rising of the sun to its setting, the name of the Lord is to be praised." It did not think of itself as just a ghetto religion just for Jews.

But the 2nd side of the image of God is functional. He had told man to have dominion over the earth. The verbs are very aggressive. God had taken 'formless and void' and formed and filled it. The image of God in man continues to do the same; it is almost instinctive that humans find situations that are formless and void, do the same thing. One professor of psychology at the U of Toronto teaches a class on just this thing. Back to Adam, think of him as 'mopping up' after God's work. The creation needed things done; farms do not just happen; they will overgrow with weeds, trees.

The aggressive verbs are not hostile to the environment. The Law is full of instructions on how to make a land productive for years. See the land sabbath, for example. These forceful verbs have to do with mopping up creation, stopping chaos.

Stuu said:

So what do 'creation scientists' do all day then?

(I don't actually need an answer to that question, I know already).

Stuart

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The problem is they don't know their text as well as they know their favorite evidences for YEC.

So many gays! said:

There are just so many gays

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I see. Yes, they are very influential and masters at emotional hostaging, but they are only 1.5% of the US population. We have been drugged by political correctness and we pretty much do what PC tells us to do. Intolerance is now the highest morality, even if it is sheer contradiction to tolerate everything. Shall we tolerate Islamic beheadings? Why ever not?

CabinetMaker said:

6days said:

Correction. .. it is only evolutionists who keep looking. It is evutionists who find fossilized apes, lemurs, monkeys etc and describe them as hominids.

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Because they are hominidae...

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They are not *humans...They are not descendants of Adam and Eve.*

CabinetMaker said:

6days said:

God's Word tells us He created humans distinct from animals. We are all descendants of Adam and Eve. We are all 'one blood'

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Yes we were. We were created in His image. What is His image? (What does God look like?)

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Silly question. But, perhaps evolutionists do have a God that looks like a chimp.

If you agree that we were created distinct from animals. ( man from dust and woman from rib) then you agree humans are not descended from apelike creatures.*

CabinetMaker said:

Because they are hominidae: The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɨdiː/), also known as great apes[note 1] or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates that includes seven extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean and Sumatran orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and bonobo; and Homo, the human.[1]



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Yes we were. We were created in His image. What is His image? (What does God look like?)

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If you are going to discuss hominids completely, it is very important to include one observation at a minimum, for ex., of Dr. H. Ross. That is, there is an abrupt surge in activity when mankind begins that separates him from hominids. The record is that suddenly we have art, history, records, tools of all kinds upon the arrival of mankind, which Dr. Ross says is what the 6 days is referring to.

Interplanner said:

The problem is they don't know their text as well as they know their favorite evidences for YEC.

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Creation 'scientists' declare their text first then try to find excuses for it. That's the opposite of science.

Stuart

Stuu said:

So what do 'creation scientists' do all day then?
(I don't actually need an answer to that question, I know already).
Stuart

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So then you know creation scientists work on things like MRI technology....plant genetics to help the world's hungry get fed.... develop medicines to treat sickness... etc etc

Interplanner said:

The record is that suddenly we have art, history, records, tools of all kinds upon the arrival of mankind, which Dr. Ross says is what the 6 days is referring to.

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Thank you for never again associating me with Ross. Ross is wrong about almost everything. He rejects scripture that says God created man from the dust.

6days said:

They are not *humans...They are not descendants of Adam and Eve.*


Silly question. But, perhaps evolutionists do have a God that looks like a chimp.

If you agree that we were created distinct from animals. ( man from dust and woman from rib) then you agree humans are not descended from apelike creatures.*

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But creating does not have to be from sheer nothing. Forming can be like forming woman. Or like forming man from dust. Or like forming earth from and through water. So long as it is not descending (actual contiguous physical reproduction). Just as the earth would never reach the form and filledness without the creative work of God, hominids would not reach the capacities that man has (immediately) after creation, Gen 4:21, 22, 6:14. God breathes in the breath of life and man is then a living being. Unfortunately after sin invades, that also means the sophisticated planning of evil.

If you know the bio of Darwin, he had huge doubts about the capacities of hominids even though he was curious. That's why it took the egging of Huxley to finish the book. It made little sense to him, and he did not swallow the practicalities of it, either, thanks to his Christian wife.

6days said:

So then you know creation scientists work on things like MRI technology....plant genetics to help the world's hungry get fed.... develop medicines to treat sickness... etc etc

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I don't think you know what a 'creation scientist' claims to be.

Stuart

Interplanner said:

But creating does not have to be from sheer nothing. Forming can be like forming woman. Or like forming man from dust. Or like forming earth from and through water. So long as it is not descending (actual contiguous physical reproduction). Just as the earth would never reach the form and filledness without the creative work of God, hominids would not reach the capacities that man has (immediately) after creation, Gen 4:21, 22, 6:14. God breathes in the breath of life and man is then a living being. Unfortunately after sin invades, that also means the sophisticated planning of evil.

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Do you spend a lot of time thinking in this mode?

You obviously aren't stupid. Had you not considered spending the time learning more about biology? I would have thought you would find reality more interesting than this strained fantasy.

Stuart

Stuu said:

I don't think you know what a 'creation scientist' claims to be.

Stuart

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I'm sure he meant YEC but he's right; because of belief in a system in which God can create and who is in contest with an evil personage who wishes to destroy, there is no fatalism. The chaos of the world is meant to be overcome. God the creator wants goodness and wants it to prevail. Compare Hinduism in India, where there is fatalism and nothing can be done.

6days said:

They are not *humans...They are not descendants of Adam and Eve.*

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First, the definition is not based on whether they are descended from Adam and Eve. Please read the definition again. Second, they are predecessors to Adam and Eve.

Silly question. But, perhaps evolutionists do have a God that looks like a chimp.

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Is is a very serious question, what does God look like?

If you agree that we were created distinct from animals. ( man from dust and woman from rib) then you agree humans are not descended from apelike creatures.*

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What makes us distinct from animals? Our physical form is very similar to every other mammal on Earth. We share a skeletal structure that only really varies in the sizes of the bones but all mammals have the same bones, similar organs, brains, eyes. What sets us apart from animals?

Interplanner said:

If you are going to discuss hominids completely, it is very important to include one observation at a minimum, for ex., of Dr. H. Ross. That is, there is an abrupt surge in activity when mankind begins that separates him from hominids. The record is that suddenly we have art, history, records, tools of all kinds upon the arrival of mankind, which Dr. Ross says is what the 6 days is referring to.

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And why is that? We share about 99.9% of genes with chimps. What sets chimps and humans apart from each other?

6days said:

So then you know creation scientists work on things like MRI technology....plant genetics to help the world's hungry get fed.... develop medicines to treat sickness... etc etc

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Interestingly enough, Ken Ham has not studied either of those fields.