The Hebrew Epistles: Where Do They Fit?

Paul Sadler, the President of the Berean Bible Society and one of the chief spokesmen in the Neo-MAD community, teaches that those who received the Jewish epistles were not members of the Body of Christ. He gives the following criteria for determining exactly who belongs to the Body of Christ and who doesn't:


With that in mind let us examine the life of Apollos to see if Sadler is correct when he limits those who are in the Body of Christ to those who were saved after Paul's conversion. At one time Apollos was a believer "knowing only the baptism of John":


But later, after Aquila and Priscilla had "expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly" (v.26) we see Paul saying that Apollos watered what he had planted and they are both "one":


Apollos was watering what Paul had planted because both were members of the Body of Christ and both were ministering to those in the Body of Christ. It is inconceivable that Apollos was not a member of the Body of Christ since Paul says that "he that planteth and he that watereth are one." In the following passage Paul speaks about that oneness:


Here we see the Apostle Paul speaking about the Jews and Gentiles being made "one" and reconciled in one Body. It is inconceivable that Paul would say that both he and Apollos were "one" but yet they were not "one" because Paul belongs within the Body of Christ but Apollos did not.

Despite these facts Sadler teaches that because Apollos was saved prior to the time when Paul was converted then he could not have been a member of the Body of Christ.

Where do those in the Neo-MAD camp come up with such foolishness?

There is one gospel throughout the Bible.

Abraham received the same gospel as we do.

Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Rom 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

LA

Jerry Shugart said:

Paul Sadler, the President of the Berean Bible Society and one of the chief spokesmen in the Neo-MAD community, teaches that those who received the Jewish epistles were not members of the Body of Christ. He gives the following criteria for determining exactly who belongs to the Body of Christ and who doesn't:

"The company of saints who make up Christ's Body consists of 'only' those who are saved from the conversation of the Apostle Paul until the sound of the trump at the Rapture (I Tim. 1:15,16; I Cor. 12:27; I Thess. 4:13-18). 'Only those who have been saved under the terms of salvation found in Paul's epistles make up the true church of this dispensation (I Cor.15:1-4)'" (Paul M. Sadler, Exploring the Unsearchable Riches of Christ [Germantown, WI: Worzalla Publishing, 1993], 103).​

With that in mind let us examine the life of Apollos to see if Sadler is correct when he limits those who are in the Body of Christ to those who were saved after Paul's conversion. At one time Apollos was a believer "knowing only the baptism of John":

"And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John" (Acts 18:24-25).​

But later, after Aquila and Priscilla had "expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly" (v.26) we see Paul saying that Apollos watered what he had planted and they are both "one":

"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one" (1 Cor.3:5-8).​

Apollos was watering what Paul had planted because both were members of the Body of Christ and both were ministering to those in the Body of Christ. It is inconceivable that Apollos was not a member of the Body of Christ since Paul says that "he that planteth and he that watereth are one." In the following passage Paul speaks about that oneness:

"For He is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace. And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby" (Eph. 2:14-16).​

Here we see the Apostle Paul speaking about the Jews and Gentiles being made "one" and reconciled in one Body. It is inconceivable that Paul would say that both he and Apollos were "one" but yet they were not "one" because Paul belongs within the Body of Christ but Apollos did not.

Despite these facts Sadler teaches that because Apollos was saved prior to the time when Paul was converted then he could not have been a member of the Body of Christ.

Where do those in the Neo-MAD camp come up with such foolishness?

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They get it from the devil who enjoys their flesh as they do.

Act 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Act 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Act 9:26 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
Act 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.

The Body of Christ began in Acts ch 2.

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

LA

Lazy afternoon said:

They get it from the devil who enjoys their flesh as they do.

Act 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Act 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Act 9:26 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
Act 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.

The Body of Christ began in Acts ch 2.

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

LA

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"From the devil," you say?

Ask this narcissist in his decades old neurosis against his own Mid-Acts brethren; ask Jerry where his incompetence has him asserting the Body of Christ began.

Danoh said:

ask Jerry where his incompetence has him asserting the Body of Christ began.

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E.W. Bullinger says Acts 28, O'Hair says Acts 18, and Stam says Acts 9

All that are in Christ Jesus

All that are in Christ Jesus

Let us look at the following verse again:


The word "sanctified" is translated from the Greek word hagiazo and it means "to separate from profane things and dedicate to God" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon). The believer has been separated from the world by being placed "in Christ Jesus," the Body of Christ.

In his first epistle addressed to the Jewish believers the Apostle John tells them that they have been given eternal life, and that life "is in the Son":


These Jewish Christians are told that the eternal life which has been given to them is 'in" the Son. This can only be in regard to how the sinner is made "alive together with Christ":


This speaks of the Christian's total identification with the Lord Jesus, a truth which is true for only those who are in the Body of Christ. Our life which is in Christ is the same thing spoken of in the following passage:

The Christian has been given eternal life, and "this life is in the Son"..."Christ is our life" and our "your life is hid with Christ in God." These verses are in regard to a total identification with the Lord Jesus and speak of our "postion" in Christ, being risen with Christ and being seated with Him in heavenly places. That is what Peter is speaking of here:

Lazy afternoon said:

There is one gospel throughout the Bible.

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=There is one piece of good news throughout the bible, and saint Judas preached it-Luke 9:6 KJV.

Made up. Satanic.

tetelestai said:

E.W. Bullinger says Acts 28, O'Hair says Acts 18, and Stam says Acts 9

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Full Preterists say (fill in the blank)," Semi Partial Preterists say (fill in the blank), Catholic Partial Preterists, such as Craigie Tettie, say (fill in the blank), then lie that they never said it.

The Hebrew Epistles: Where do they fit?

The Hebrew Epistles: Where do they fit?

The Hebrew Epistles were written by Paul to the few adepts he succeeded to raise in the Land of Israel; and the reason why he did not announce himself on the Epistles is because he was afraid to hurt his followers in Israel with the same reason why Paul was charged with insurrection for preaching a gospel of idolatry in Jerusalem. (Acts 9:20)

tetelestai said:

E.W. Bullinger says Acts 28, O'Hair says Acts 18, and Stam says Acts 9

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As usual; you're off... on two of those, as well as, as to who said what, when.

Jerry Shugart said:

Let us look at the following verse again:

"Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's" (1 Cor.1:2).​

The word "sanctified" is translated from the Greek word hagiazo and it means "to separate from profane things and dedicate to God" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon). The believer has been separated from the world by being placed "in Christ Jesus," the Body of Christ.

In his first epistle addressed to the Jewish believers the Apostle John tells them that they have been given eternal life, and that life "is in the Son":

"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son" (1 Jn.5:11).​

These Jewish Christians are told that the eternal life which has been given to them is 'in" the Son. This can only be in regard to how the sinner is made "alive together with Christ":

"even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph.2:5-6).​

This speaks of the Christian's total identification with the Lord Jesus, a truth which is true for only those who are in the Body of Christ. Our life which is in Christ is the same thing spoken of in the following passage:

The Christian has been given eternal life, and "this life is in the Son"..."Christ is our life" and our "your life is hid with Christ in God." These verses are in regard to a total identification with the Lord Jesus and speak of our "postion" in Christ, being risen with Christ and being seated with Him in heavenly places. That is what Peter is speaking of here:

"Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus" (1 Pet.5:14).​

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"Let us look at" - Jerry's decades old neurosis at work - "again..."

Danoh said:

As usual; you're off... on two of those, as well as, as to who said what, when.

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No, Bullinger was Acts 28, O'Hair was Acts 18, and Stam was Acts 9.

Of course all of them are wrong.

Nowhere beyond Acts 2 is there even a hint of the BOC beginning.

Which is why no one who claims to be a MAD can give a verse in the book of Acts that supports their claim.

MAD is a mess !!!

tetelestai said:

No, Bullinger was Acts 28, O'Hair was Acts 18, and Stam was Acts 9.

Of course all of them are wrong.

Nowhere beyond Acts 2 is there even a hint of the BOC beginning.

Which is why no one who claims to be a MAD can give a verse in the book of Acts that supports their claim.

MAD is a mess !!!

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Full Preterists say (fill in the blank)," Semi Partial Preterists say (fill in the blank), Catholic Partial Preterists, such as Craigie Tettie, say (fill in the blank), then lie that they never said it.


You are wrong. Your satanic Catholic Partial Preterism is a mess.


Which is why no one who claims to be a Preterist/AD 70-ist can give a verse in the bible that supports their claim.


So there, Craigie the satanist.

tetelestai said:

No, Bullinger was Acts 28, O'Hair was Acts 18, and Stam was Acts 9.

Of course all of them are wrong.

Nowhere beyond Acts 2 is there even a hint of the BOC beginning.

Which is why no one who claims to be a MAD can give a verse in the book of Acts that supports their claim.

MAD is a mess !!!

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MAD doctrine gives an excuse to unbelievers to avoid Acts ch 1 and 2.

LA

Lazy afternoon said:

MAD doctrine gives an excuse to unbelievers to avoid Acts ch 1 and 2.

LA

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They also avoid chapters 3-8

In fact, many MADists claim only Paul's prison epistles are for believers today.

MAD is a mess.

tetelestai said:

They also avoid chapters 3-8

In fact, many MADists claim only Paul's prison epistles are for believers today.

MAD is a mess.

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They also avoid the 4 gospels, the book of Hebrews, James, and Peters letters.

MAD is more than a mess, it keeps men unsanctified, and racist.

LA

tetelestai said:

They also avoid chapters 3-8

In fact, many MADists claim only Paul's prison epistles are for believers today.

MAD is a mess.

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"MAD is a mess."-Craigie

=spammed for the 5th time, out of last 7 "posts."

Laughingstock of TOL.


Craigie avoids Romans-Philemon, as not only do AD 70-ism/Preterist con artists claim that the law ended at the cross, which is satanic, as he asserts that Pentecost was not part of the law, he claims the law was observed "post cross," as a "Plan B"(he taught us that), but has no idea why, no explanation, except, wait for it....

"God didn't flick a lightswitch that in a split second switched the entire planet from OC to NC."-Corkie the Clown Craigie

Observe, the whited wall Craigie, in his typical serpent like way:


"So when did the "dispensation of the grace of God" start?
Acts 9 or Acts 28?If Acts 28, what was the dispensation called from the cross to Acts 28?If Acts 9, what is the dispensation called that started in Acts 28?"-Tet.


"many MADists claim only Paul's prison epistles are for believers today.-Craigie



vs.

"I believe the Apostle Paul's teachings are mostly for those of us who live post 70AD"-Tet.



Which ones, Preterist scammer? Give us that infallible Preterist teaching you claim you have on the subject. Lay it out for us. Which of the early Acts teachings are "mostly" for us, post cross?"-John W

vs.

"The law was nailed to the cross. You can't divide the law into parts that suit your belief system."-Tet.


vs.

"God didn't flick a lightswitch that in a split second switched the entire planet from OC to NC.Hebrews tells us that the OC was "waxing" and would soon be obsolete. We know that the OC was completely gone in 70AD."-Tet.


When did the LORD God "flick a lightswitch," Tet?

Acts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,................................................ ..............................28?


According to this Preterist flim flam "man," "'The law was nailed to the cross," and yet "the OC was "waxing" and would soon be obsolete."

The reason?: "lightswitch."

Con artist.
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"In fact, many MADists claim only Paul's prison epistles are for believers today."-Craigie

Vs.


"I believe the Apostle Paul's teachings are mostly for those of us who live post 70AD"-Tet.


The punk is caught in lie, after lie, asserting that none of Paul's writings on the redemption of the body, the adoption, apply to believers today.

Lazy afternoon said:

They also avoid the 4 gospels, the book of Hebrews, James, and Peters letters.

MAD is more than a mess, it keeps men unsanctified, and racist.

LA

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We don't "avoid" any books of the Bible. We recognize that while all of the Bible is for us, it's not all to us or about us.

tetelestai said:

In fact, many MADists claim only Paul's prison epistles are for believers today.

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Nope! All of the Bible is FOR us! Romans 15:4 KJV, 2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV

tetelestai said:

Nowhere beyond Acts 2 is there even a hint of the BOC beginning.

Which is why no one who claims to be a MAD can give a verse in the book of Acts that supports their claim.

MAD is a mess !!!

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A pattern is first 1 Timothy 1:16 KJV! Paul was saved in Acts 9!