Originally posted by rasputen
I must refute some of Jefferson's earlier points.
quote:
"Do you believe in absolute right and absolute wrong?"
- No.
Is it absolutely wrong for a man to violently rape a woman?
Everyone makes their own individual moal judgments,
And God condemns them for it: "You shall not do according to all that we do here today, each doing whatever is right in his own eyes" (Deuteronomy 12:8). We are not supposed to do what we think is right. Instead, we have an obligation to find out what is right and do that.
there is no factor that makes one moral standard superior to another
So, as a Christian you don't think the Bible is a superior standard?
No decision is necessarily more valid than another.
But one decision can be evil or foolish (hence worthy of ridicule), whereas another decision can be moral and wise (hence worthy of respect).
Apples and oranges. Harris and Klebold have nothing to do with abortion.
Harris and Klebold were murderers. Likewise, people who abort their own children are also murderers. How is that comparing apples to oranges?
Furthermore, that statement is highly inappropriate at the school where lives were ruined and altered forever.
That statment would probably prevent more abortions at Columbine than any other location in the world. Why would any student at Columbine want to be a murderer like Klebold or Harris?
To rekindle such memories intentionally is despicable at best, and the most morally reprehensible thing mentioned in the entire discussion.
I thought you said all opinions are worthy of respect. This doesn't sound like you are respecting my opinion. Doesn't this make you a hypocrite?
To intentionally rekindle such pain makes the protestors no better than Klebold and Harris for causing that pain.
So you think those protestors should be given a life sentence in prison or even the death penalty?
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"Pictures don't lie."
- Are you joking? Ever heard of an airbrush? Adobe photoshop? Given technology of our day, a picture could EASILY lie.
So you're saying that you think those abortion photographs are fake? Are
you joking? How pleasing to the eye do you think a
real photograph of an aborted baby would be compared to the photographs that were displayed at Columbine?
our goal as humans is to diminish pain and evil. The best way to achieve that goal would be to eliminate existence.
Now you're going off into lala land. I'm beginning to agree with novice that you are not Greg Schreier.
Furthermore, one can maintain tranquillity and make his opinion known through open dialogue (something neither Bob nor anyone else seems able to comprehend).
Oh, we comprehend it, we just disagree with it. Since there were no protests about the Nazi holocaust on the Jews, what does that say about the citizens of Germany during that time? Now, what if our history books had stories of German protestors with graphic pictures of the holocaust causing all kinds of consternation and even riots and arrests? Would our history books be praising those protestors or condemning them? Which one?
I and many others were forced to view these pictures without the option of voluntarily conversing with them. They presented no logical or persuasive arguments on their posters.
You were free to walk up to them and discuss the issue with them.
I see a graphic image of an aborted fetus. Great. Now I'm disgusted and hostile that I've been forced against my will to see that.
Yeah right. You're the only teenager in America who just hates watching those bloody horror movies. Yeah, I'll believe that when Hell freezes over.
Furthermore, they've presented no one with any logical evidence as to why they ought to be pro-life; no consequences of an abortion are shown. We see the end "product," but the implications are not discussed. An egregious violation of reason and rhetoric, methinks.
So you think our tactics are ineffective. Big deal. We disagree. We think they are effective.
Last I checked my final judgment was coming from the Lord himself.
Wrong:
- I Corinthians 6:2-5 - Don't you know the saints will judge the world?
- Luke 11:32 The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the Judgment with this generation and shall condemn it.
- Daniel 7:21,22 I watched, and that horn made war with the saints and overcame then until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the Most High.
- Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them.
My AP US history book contains no such disgusting images (thank goodness... the writer is logical).
They were in my text books. And I guarantee you, they are in the Columbine library.
Second, I have indeed seen these pictures willingly, by CHOOSING to watch the history channel, or by choosing to do research in the library. If I so choose, I may change the channel or skip the page.
And you are free to look away from our pictures. What's the difference?
The media is available to me if I'd like to see it. I'm not forced to stare at it while I am pulling out of the parking lot.
Oh please. Stop being so melodramatic. No one put a gun to your head and "forced" you to "stare" at the photographs like in the movie "A Clockwork Orange." All you had to do was turn your head and look the other way. It's simple.
Plus, have you ever had one of those posters blocking your view while trying to make a left turn on a busy street?
I wasn't there. But I doubt they blocked anyone's view of oncoming traffic. But if they did, you could have simply informed them that they were a traffic hazard. All they needed to do was to simply move a mere 5 feet down the side of the road. Another simple solution.
That alone is justification for burning the posters.
"Burning?" So you're a book burner? You're in favor of censorship?
I must say, you do sound very different than the Greg Schreier on Bob's show the other night. Let me ask you novice's question: The Greg Schreier on Bob's show was in favor of the war. You seem to be against it. Which is it?
