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toldailytopic: Should the government force companies to offer the Morning After Pill as part of their employee health coverage?






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Attorney: Hobby Lobby to defy morning-after pill insurance requirement while lawsuit's pending

An attorney for Hobby Lobby Stores said Thursday that the arts and crafts chain plans to defy a federal mandate requiring it to offer employees health coverage that includes access to the morning-after pill, despite risking potential fines of up to $1.3 million per day.

Hobby Lobby and religious book-seller Mardel Inc., which are owned by the same conservative Christian family, are suing to block part of the federal health care law that requires employee health-care plans to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after pill and similar emergency contraception pills.

The companies claim the mandate violates the religious beliefs of their owners. They say the morning-after pill is tantamount to abortion because it can prevent a fertilized egg from becoming implanted in a woman's womb.

On Wednesday, Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor denied the companies' request for an injunction while their lawsuit is pending, saying the stores failed to satisfy the demanding legal standard for blocking the requirement on an emergency basis. She said the companies may still challenge the regulations in the lower courts.

Kyle Duncan, who is representing Hobby Lobby on behalf of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, said in a statement posted on the group's website Thursday that Hobby Lobby doesn't intend to offer its employees insurance that would cover the drug while its lawsuit is pending.

"The company will continue to provide health insurance to all qualified employees," Duncan said. "To remain true to their faith, it is not their intention, as a company, to pay for abortion-inducing drugs."

In ruling against the companies last month, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton said churches and other religious organizations have been granted constitutional protection from the birth-control provisions but that "Hobby Lobby and Mardel are not religious organizations."

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No, absolutely not.

Government should not be involved with health insurance at all.

It is not their business.

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toldailytopic: Should the government force companies to offer the Morning After Pill as part of their employee health coverage?


Of course!

It's in the Constitution!


Section 8:

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To force Employers to pay for their Employees attempts to murder their Children;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
 

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The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for December 28th, 2012 09:43 AM


toldailytopic: Should the government force companies to offer the Morning After Pill as part of their employee health coverage?


Business ultimately are privately owned. The owner has the right to determine what the company's insurance will cover. Forcing a company to cover a morning after pill (abortificant) is a violation of their constitutional rights. The government is now treading on religious freedom by saying what companies can support and cover with their monies, and giving the owners no say. This is un-american.

If the person want coverage for a morning after pill, they can go work for someone else or buy insurance not provided by the company.

The Government needs to get its grimy paws out the health insurance business!
 

Alate_One

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Sure. If you start making exceptions for the beliefs of employers, where does it stop. If your employer is a Jehovahs witness they might refuse to pay for blood transfusions. Or the unscrupulous business owner might suddenly start objecting to any medical care they thought was too expensive so as to reduce medical costs.

The morning after pill is not abortion anyway and used very infrequently.
 

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Should the government force companies to offer the Morning After Pill as part of their employee health coverage?

No. If the government feels that strongly about access to something that isn't a medical necessity then it should provide it.
 

PureX

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toldailytopic: Should the government force companies to offer the Morning After Pill as part of their employee health coverage?
Businesses should not be paying for their employees' health insurance in the first place, but if we're too stupid and greedy as a nation to set up a real national health care system, then the least we can do is make sure those people getting health care insurance from their employers are getting actual health care coverage, and not some half-coverage based on the employer's personal whims.
 

IMJerusha

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Sure. If you start making exceptions for the beliefs of employers, where does it stop. If your employer is a Jehovahs witness they might refuse to pay for blood transfusions. Or the unscrupulous business owner might suddenly start objecting to any medical care they thought was too expensive so as to reduce medical costs.

The morning after pill is not abortion anyway and used very infrequently.

Some people don't understand abortifacients; how they work. Some people don't understand God's creation in the womb. Some folks don't understand that abortifacient manufacturers are unscrupulous, meaning having or showing no morals.

Christians have a right in this country to own businesses and run them with Christian mindset. The marvelous thing about the freedom of this country is that if you don't want to work for a Christian employer, you don't have to. If one enters into an employment contract with a Christian organization, however, one had best be prepared for that employer to behave ...like a Christian. :duh: In other words, in accordance with God's Will and Word.
 
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Attorney: Hobby Lobby to defy morning-after pill insurance requirement while lawsuit's pending

An attorney for Hobby Lobby Stores said Thursday that the arts and crafts chain plans to defy a federal mandate requiring it to offer employees health coverage that includes access to the morning-after pill, despite risking potential fines of up to $1.3 million per day.

Hobby Lobby and religious book-seller Mardel Inc., which are owned by the same conservative Christian family, are suing to block part of the federal health care law that requires employee health-care plans to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after pill and similar emergency contraception pills.

The companies claim the mandate violates the religious beliefs of their owners. They say the morning-after pill is tantamount to abortion because it can prevent a fertilized egg from becoming implanted in a woman's womb.

On Wednesday, Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor denied the companies' request for an injunction while their lawsuit is pending, saying the stores failed to satisfy the demanding legal standard for blocking the requirement on an emergency basis. She said the companies may still challenge the regulations in the lower courts.

Kyle Duncan, who is representing Hobby Lobby on behalf of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, said in a statement posted on the group's website Thursday that Hobby Lobby doesn't intend to offer its employees insurance that would cover the drug while its lawsuit is pending.

"The company will continue to provide health insurance to all qualified employees," Duncan said. "To remain true to their faith, it is not their intention, as a company, to pay for abortion-inducing drugs."

In ruling against the companies last month, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton said churches and other religious organizations have been granted constitutional protection from the birth-control provisions but that "Hobby Lobby and Mardel are not religious organizations."

- source

Sotomayor, chosen and installed by Obama. :duh:

I hope the companies do go back to the lower courts and continue the fight.
 

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Businesses should not be paying for their employees' health insurance in the first place
Exactly.
A business is not established to insure it's employees have health coverage.

And the government was not established to insure it's citizens have health coverage.
 

PureX

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And the government was not established to insure it's citizens have health coverage.
Actually, it was.

The government of the United States was established to protect life, liberty, and opportunity for all it's citizens. The founders said so in a declaration to the world. At the time, national health care was not really an imaginable option, but it is now a commonly held responsibility of governments all around the world. And it should also be part of the government's responsibility, here, as well. Just as it defends citizens against threats both foreign and domestic, and just as it responds to natural disasters and disease epidemics. National health care is a direct and primary responsibility, now, for any government charged with protecting the lives of the citizens it's been established to serve. And without life, there is no liberty or opportunity, so protecting the lives of it's citizens is it's paramount responsibility.
 

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Companies should be free to offer whatever health provisions they like. From nothing to everything as they see fit.
 

PureX

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Companies should be free to offer whatever health provisions they like. From nothing to everything as they see fit.
Why, are businesses sacred, or something? People aren't free to do whatever they like to other people. So why should businesses be free to do whatever they like to other people?
 
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