That's all well and good but I prefer to trust the Bible and God's word and how He phrased things. Your opinion is at odds with the Bible.Originally Posted by elected4ever
be careful , your ignorants is showing.Originally Posted by Knight
Galatians 5:13 ¶For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
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That's all well and good but I prefer to trust the Bible and God's word and how He phrased things. Your opinion is at odds with the Bible.Originally Posted by elected4ever
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Originally Posted by elected4ever
my "ignorants"?
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Go Knight Go...Originally Posted by Knight
Christians are saints, not sinners (I Corinthians), but this does not preclude the possibility of a Christian volitionally sinning, a temporary lapse that does not return one to the status of a godless sinner. If sin is a substance, I can see their objection to saying that a Christian does not sin. If sin involves disobedience/rebellion/selfishness/lawlessness/choice, then a Christian can commit adultery in the same way they did in a pre-conversion state or the way an unbeliever does. God's holiness and Law are not negated just because we are in Christ. There is a difference between will not sin (the normative Christian experience due to His power in us) and cannot sin (we are not robots...we should not sin, but if we do, we have an advocate...I Jn. 1:9; 2:1,2; Heb. 4:14-16).
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You still confuse metaphysics (substance, essence, being) with morals (choice/obedience/disobedience...not self-righteous morality, but the philosophical/theological concept of moral as in God is the righteous moral Governor of the universe...He does not govern moral creation in His image by the law of cause and effect, but by the law of love and freedom). If adultery is not a sin for a Christian, then God's holiness and Law are undermined, we have no responsibility/accountability, we should all be having our cake and eating it too...not defensible! Your ideas are abstract and illogical, so do not assume they are biblical.Originally Posted by elected4ever
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Originally Posted by elected4ever
The will is the seat of choices (hence the NT emphasis on obedience and yielding). This is why we are responsible/accountable. We cannot blame things on a causative nature back of the will. Again, you confuse metaphysics (nature) with morals (will). This is why we are exhorted to do this or do not do this (Pauline verses). Our choices form a nature. Our nature does not cause our choices. Chosing to not adulterate or fornicate (sins) involves the will and mind, not a causative nature back of the will.
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Corinthians is issue literature. Many issues were introduced by quotes that were said by the fleshly Corinthians. Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, responded to their wrong thinking. The wrong Corinthians were saying that everything is lawful, not the Holy Spirit or Paul. Paul then responded and corrected their wrong thinking.Originally Posted by elected4ever
I Cor. 7:1 is another example of this: The Corinthians wrote or said that it is good for a man not to marry. This was not the teaching of Paul and the Holy Spirit. Paul then addressed this issue and corrected their unbalanced understanding with fuller teaching. The first verse should be put in quotation marks to show that it was the fleshly Corinthians concept, not biblical truth.
You might reject this understanding, but more and more credible exegetes are recognizing this principle based on context and the rest of biblical truth.
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I Cor. 6:12 "Everything is permissible for me" is a quote of the wrong Corinthians. It is not Pauline or biblical teaching. Paul then corrects their wrong view with sound doctrine.Originally Posted by elected4ever
v. 13 "food for the stomach and stomach for food" is also a quote of the fleshly Corinthians (famous for the immorality, etc.). It is not inspired truth....Paul corrects them and reminds them that God will destroy the body if they live for the body above the spirit.
Sound exegesis will spare you from proof texting and wrong conclusions.
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Originally Posted by elected4ever
Boo...eisegesis...foisting your preconceived theology on the text. Knight is correct. Check any interlinear or Greek tool. Change your theology, not the text.
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Has anyone else heard of my exegesis of the Corinthian quotes responded to by Paul? Some assume they are Pauline teaching, but they are actually issues the wrong Corinthians were bringing up that Paul responded to. In Bible College, 25 years ago, the best teacher I have ever had, built the case for "......". Some translations also pick up on this and put the Corinthian sayings in "...." to distinguish them from Paul's response. This does clear up some confusion and retains consistency with other biblical truth (all things are not permissible for a believer, but the Corinthians were into license and immorality).Originally Posted by Knight
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Thank you Turbo and Knight. This whole Christians can't sin thing is stupid and has always got on my nerves but I never wanted to jump into the fire Sozo has created for Godrulz. Finally, I couldn't help myself and I spent hours trying to point this out to Sozo last Saturday
Right Here - go halfway down to post 24 - it goes on for 4 or 5 pages . You've got to read it!
Just like this thread it has lots of unanswered questions.
I like to keep things simple and clear. My main points are:
1. Christians sin.![]()
2. That sin is paid for by Christ.
3. Godrulz may be wrong about virtually everything, but all indications are that he is a Christian so it is wrong to treat him like a child molester for believing Christians can sin.![]()
Sozo, I would like to see your OP if you are inclined to re-post it. If not, that's okay too. If you are rethinking your position that is awesome. I hope you are considering conceding the debate. It is sad, but Christians sin all the time, even you. Often the consequences are horrific. Praise God that because of Christ it is not held against us!
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I am wrong about almost everything?![]()
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Sorry. I put the word may in there meaning you "may" be wrong. But I can see where it might be unclear. IMHO I think you are wrong on a lot of stuff, but I would agree with you in several areas too! God Bless!
Psalms 58:10
The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.
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Which areas should I revisit? Perhaps I need to clarify or communicate better?Originally Posted by CRASH
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"No Compromise!" (Keith Green)
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