The Abortion/Homosexuality Paradox

The Horn

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Why is it that anti-choicers , who are so determined to stop all women from having abortions , suddenly lose all their "love" of fetuses as soon as a fetus grows up and turns out to be gay ?
A fertilized cell has the "right to life ", but one that grows up to be gay
has no rights any more , and is subject to hatred, bigotry and disregard for its rights as a grown human being .
When that gay person was a fetus , he or she had the "right to life ", but conservatives don't want you to g et married to your same sex partner, serve in the military or join the Boy Scouts etc .
Many think you should be allowed to teach in a public school or allowed to be a parent . That "precious baby " which should not be murdered in the womb " is all of a sudden persona non grata !
Anti-choicers are constantly whining over the "50 millions babuies slaughtered in the womb " since 1973 , yet if they had been born ,
we would also have several million more gay people in America .
That is, if they weren't starved , neglected , abused or shot by randon gunfire .
Of course, we would NOT have 50 million more people in America without Roe, because there still would have been millions of illegal abortions .
If you don't want a pregnant woman to have an abortion , why don't you at least have the decency to respect the rights of that baby if it grows up to be gay ? The hypocrisy is absolutely sickening !
 

The Horn

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Correction : Should read "many think you should NOT be allowed to teach in public schools ". Left the not out by accident . My bad .
 

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Why is it that anti-choicers ,
Defenders of innocent life
who are so determined to stop all women from having abortions ,
who are determined to prevent murders in the name of personal liberty
suddenly lose all their "love" of fetuses as soon as a fetus grows up and turns out to be gay ?
often find the sexual act of a full grown adult objectionable?


See, how fairly you frame a thing can often determine how fairly the thing pans out.

A fertilized cell has the "right to life ", but one that grows up to be gay has no rights any more , and is subject to hatred, bigotry and disregard for its rights as a grown human being .
I don't think you'll find more than a sliver of a fringe of Christendom who would advance the flag you're waving over much of it.

If you don't want a pregnant woman to have an abortion , why don't you at least have the decency to respect the rights of that baby if it grows up to be gay ? The hypocrisy is absolutely sickening !
There's nothing hypocritical about objecting to actions you believe are immoral. In this case, for most of Christendom, both killing the unborn and engaging in same sex activity are immoral acts.

It would be hypocritical to object to one and not the other, if your context for morality is found in the Bible, where both murder and sexual congress between members of the same sex are noted as sin.

You don't have to agree with it or find it palatable, but you should call it what it is and let your objection be what it actually is, a contextual divide.
 
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glorydaz

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If you don't want a pregnant woman to have an abortion , why don't you at least have the decency to respect the rights of that baby if it grows up to be a child molester ? The hypocrisy is absolutely sickening !

*that in yellow has been edited by me to make a point



A little common sense goes a long way....you should try it.
 

Rusha

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If you don't want a pregnant woman to have an abortion, why don't you at least have the decency to respect the rights of that baby if it grows up to be gay ? The hypocrisy is absolutely sickening !

OTOH, *you* are the person who condones abortion ... so ... since you couldn't care less whether or not an unborn baby has his/her life intentionally snuffed out, who are you to criticize anyone else for not respecting and valuing the lives of other human beings?

At the very least, you should be consistent.
 

oatmeal

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Why is it that anti-choicers , who are so determined to stop all women from having abortions , suddenly lose all their "love" of fetuses as soon as a fetus grows up and turns out to be gay ?
A fertilized cell has the "right to life ", but one that grows up to be gay
has no rights any more , and is subject to hatred, bigotry and disregard for its rights as a grown human being .
When that gay person was a fetus , he or she had the "right to life ", but conservatives don't want you to g et married to your same sex partner, serve in the military or join the Boy Scouts etc .
Many think you should be allowed to teach in a public school or allowed to be a parent . That "precious baby " which should not be murdered in the womb " is all of a sudden persona non grata !
Anti-choicers are constantly whining over the "50 millions babuies slaughtered in the womb " since 1973 , yet if they had been born ,
we would also have several million more gay people in America .
That is, if they weren't starved , neglected , abused or shot by randon gunfire .
Of course, we would NOT have 50 million more people in America without Roe, because there still would have been millions of illegal abortions .
If you don't want a pregnant woman to have an abortion , why don't you at least have the decency to respect the rights of that baby if it grows up to be gay ? The hypocrisy is absolutely sickening !

Gays have never been denied any rights listed in the Constitution.

However, they have recently been seeking special access.

No one has been stopping gays from getting married.

You want to start gay church and get married in it, do it.

You could have done that all along, but why haven't you?

People are not married because some government official sanctions it, marriage was designed by God for a man and wife to live as husband and wife.

It is a commitment to God and each other.

As for abortion, not all Christians rely on emotions to determine if abortion is murder or not.

Some rely on scripture and realize that abortion is not murder. Genesis 2:7

Homosexuality, like all sin, can be overcome.



Of course, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

Homos could have started their own churches and got married in them.

But not before God, God abhors the sin of homosexuality, as we are instructed to do.
 

glassjester

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A fertilized cell has the "right to life ", but one that grows up to be gay has no rights any more

That's just a blatant lie, isn't it? Killing a fetus is murder. Killing a gay man is murder. There - paradox resolved! (But you knew that already)


Here's the real abortion paradox: How can a fetus be nothing more than property at one moment, and a human being the next moment?

Let's use the 24-week limit as an example.

Baby is conceived - day 1 of pregnancy.
Day 167, 11:59:59 PM - "It hasn't been 24 weeks, so it's not a person - kill it!"
Day 168, 12:00:00 AM (1 second later) - "Oh no! It just turned into a person! Don't kill it; that would be murder!"

Ridiculous.
 

musterion

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He's a hypocrite. His support for murdering the defenseless would stop the second a prenatal test for homosexuality were discovered and parents started aborting for that reason. At that point he'd demand it be severely restricted if not outlawed...selectively.
 

The Horn

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Compoaring a gay person who has consenting sex with others and being a child molester is idiotic ! A pedophile is violating an innocent child . But two consenting gay adults having sex in private HARM NO ONE . Children who are the victims of pedophilia DO NOT consent and are being violated . Why are conservatives so stupid as to make such an asinine comparison ?
 

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Compoaring a gay person who has consenting sex with others and being a child molester is idiotic ! A pedophile is violating an innocent child . But two consenting gay adults having sex in private HARM NO ONE . Children who are the victims of pedophilia DO NOT consent and are being violated . Why are conservatives so stupid as to make such an asinine comparison ?
I think it's telling that you run to this and away from a constructive engagement. It's hard to believe you don't understand your advance is problematic. But any time you want to calm down and discuss it, I've left something for you a few posts back.
 

Tambora

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Why is it that anti-choicers , who are so determined to stop all women from having abortions , suddenly lose all their "love" of fetuses as soon as a fetus grows up and turns out to be gay ?
A fertilized cell has the "right to life ", but one that grows up to be gay
has no rights any more , and is subject to hatred, bigotry and disregard for its rights as a grown human being .
When that gay person was a fetus , he or she had the "right to life ", but conservatives don't want you to g et married to your same sex partner, serve in the military or join the Boy Scouts etc .
Many think you should be allowed to teach in a public school or allowed to be a parent . That "precious baby " which should not be murdered in the womb " is all of a sudden persona non grata !
Anti-choicers are constantly whining over the "50 millions babuies slaughtered in the womb " since 1973 , yet if they had been born ,
we would also have several million more gay people in America .
That is, if they weren't starved , neglected , abused or shot by randon gunfire .
Of course, we would NOT have 50 million more people in America without Roe, because there still would have been millions of illegal abortions .
If you don't want a pregnant woman to have an abortion , why don't you at least have the decency to respect the rights of that baby if it grows up to be gay ? The hypocrisy is absolutely sickening !
First of all, the woman killing her child is not doing so because it 'might' turn out gay.
She is killing her child because she does not want the very child THAT SHE CONTRIBUTED TO CREATING.

Got raped?
The solution: MURDER your child.

Too poor?
The solution: MURDER your child.

Too busy with career?
The solution: MURDER your child.

Afraid parents will disapprove?
The solution: MURDER your child.

etc.
etc.
etc.


The solution is deranged.
 

Rusha

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Compoaring a gay person who has consenting sex with others and being a child molester is idiotic ! A pedophile is violating an innocent child . But two consenting gay adults having sex in private HARM NO ONE . Children who are the victims of pedophilia DO NOT consent and are being violated . Why are conservatives so stupid as to make such an asinine comparison ?

Unborn babies do NOT consent to being slaughtered via abortion.
 

The Horn

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Babies born into abject poverty , hunger, malnutrition, filthy housing , lack of medical care and good education do not choose to be born into such horrible conditions . These horrible conditions in society are one thing which CAUSES poor women to have abortions in the first place .
 

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Babies born into abject poverty , hunger, malnutrition, filthy housing , lack of medical care and good education do not choose to be born into such horrible conditions . These horrible conditions in society are one thing which CAUSES poor women to have abortions in the first place .
As many women said carrying to term would interfere with their work or education as said they couldn't afford a child. Only 12% cited medical reasons and around 1% were in response to rape.
 

HisServant

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It all comes down to being responsible and having self-control... both actions are a violation against the basic order of nature... and detrimental to ones well being as a human.
 

john w

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Why is it that anti-choicers , who are so determined to stop all women from having abortions , suddenly lose all their "love" of fetuses as soon as a fetus grows up and turns out to be gay ?
A fertilized cell has the "right to life ", but one that grows up to be gay
has no rights any more , and is subject to hatred, bigotry and disregard for its rights as a grown human being.............


I revised your premise, "supporting walls," as follows:



Why is it that anti-murdering proponents, who are so determined to stop all women from having abortions, suddenly lose all their "love" of fetuses as soon as a fetus grows up and turns out to be a sodomite, or a thief, or a murderer, or a sex offender, or..............................?
A fertilized cell has the "right to life ", but one that grows up to be a sodomite, or a thief, or a murderer, or a sex offender("has no rights any more" crossed out),is subject to hatred, bigotry and disregard for its rights as a grown human being.............

Deceit...false analogy...
 

The Horn

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Gay people having consensual sex in private are not guilty of any crime . They are harming no one . To compare them to pedophiles, rapists, murderers, theives etc is absolutely idiotic !
 
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