The Gospel Verses the Catholic Church

Robert Pate

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I do believe that Jesus advised, in relation to a certain man who went around preaching in the name of Jesus but who was not part of Jesus' band of disciples, that they let him be.
There may be many things wrong with Catholicism, but you need to pick your enemies more carefully. The casino owners, the drug pushers, the people traffickers and so on. It seems to me that Christians pick fights with other Christians almost exclusively, but it only does two things: it shows the world that Christianity is divided; and it shows that Christianity is an isolationist religion - that they have nothing better to do than talk amongst themselves and in a language that only they understand.
So stop being a coward and bullying the Catholics: begin by owning up to the fact that your own brand of Christianity also has serious faults. Then, when you have done that and got mired down in the complex arguments trying to defend your own branch, you realise it is better just to stop criticising other Christians and accept that you all have faults and leave it at that. After that, if you are patient, you might start even learning to appreciate the good sides of those you condemn. And finally, you can get out after the drug pushers and actually do something that will advance God's kingdom.


You probably think that Jesus was unreasonable when he referred to the Pharisees as hypocrites and snakes, Matthew 23:15.

There is a correct way to believe and have faith. Catholicism is not the way.
 

Desert Reign

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You probably think that Jesus was unreasonable when he referred to the Pharisees as hypocrites and snakes, Matthew 23:15.

There is a correct way to believe and have faith. Catholicism is not the way.

Why do you say 'probably'? You have no idea what is in my mind. You are prejudging me. Just as you are prejudging other Christians. How can you say that there is a correct way to believe and have faith and not tell us what it is??? Your way is not better. Your way is not correct. Your way has errors. It is easy to say that someone else is wrong. It is much much harder to establish a right way. You are not any better than Catholics at this.

I am not making any argument for truth here. I am predicting the likely outcome of the course of action you are taking. You will make only enemies. When you have finished with the Catholics you will lay in to the JW's and then the Calvinists (again) and then someone else. And they will lay in to you back and you will have endless dissension. It is fine to disagree but it is not fine to brand those you disagree with as enemies of the Gospel and agents of Satan. If you want to convince anyone who is not already convinced by your arguments, you need to choose a different path.
 

Robert Pate

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Why do you say 'probably'? You have no idea what is in my mind. You are prejudging me. Just as you are prejudging other Christians. How can you say that there is a correct way to believe and have faith and not tell us what it is??? Your way is not better. Your way is not correct. Your way has errors. It is easy to say that someone else is wrong. It is much much harder to establish a right way. You are not any better than Catholics at this.

I am not making any argument for truth here. I am predicting the likely outcome of the course of action you are taking. You will make only enemies. When you have finished with the Catholics you will lay in to the JW's and then the Calvinists (again) and then someone else. And they will lay in to you back and you will have endless dissension. It is fine to disagree but it is not fine to brand those you disagree with as enemies of the Gospel and agents of Satan. If you want to convince anyone who is not already convinced by your arguments, you need to choose a different path.

God has given us a book called the Bible.

In this book he has revealed the correct way to believe and have faith.

If it is not according to the book, which is also God's word, then someone needs to say something.

All of these phony religions like Catholicism, Calvinism and others, are so far from what is in the book that it is a joke.

There is not one thing in Catholicism that resembles the New Testament church. If you think that there is you should point it out.
 

Desert Reign

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God has given us a book called the Bible.

In this book he has revealed the correct way to believe and have faith.

If it is not according to the book, which is also God's word, then someone needs to say something.

All of these phony religions like Catholicism, Calvinism and others, are so far from what is in the book that it is a joke.

There is not one thing in Catholicism that resembles the New Testament church. If you think that there is you should point it out.

I rest my case. You have done nothing to justify your statement that there is a correct way to believe. If you can't put yourself up for proper scrutiny, I don't see how you can scrutinize others.
And I am sure that you won't. Because the moment you say 'This is the correct way to believe...' you know that you will get a hundred people pointing out your errors.
 

Robert Pate

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I rest my case. You have done nothing to justify your statement that there is a correct way to believe. If you can't put yourself up for proper scrutiny, I don't see how you can scrutinize others.
And I am sure that you won't. Because the moment you say 'This is the correct way to believe...' you know that you will get a hundred people pointing out your errors.


Paul said, "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH" Not by rules, laws or religion. Those that are living by faith don't need a religion. If you need a religion to save you then you are trusting in yourself and not in Christ. Religion is about you, who is a sinner. The Gospel is about Jesus Christ who is the savior.
 

Desert Reign

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Paul said, "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH" Not by rules, laws or religion. Those that are living by faith don't need a religion. If you need a religion to save you then you are trusting in yourself and not in Christ. Religion is about you, who is a sinner. The Gospel is about Jesus Christ who is the savior.

I am sure that most Catholics would agree with that.
 

Robert Pate

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And it's a good thing your Bible version has nothing about rules, law, or religion, otherwise you would be contradicting yourself.

Most of the bible is about laws and rules.

Thank God that Christians are not under them.

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are NOT UNDER THE LAW , BUT UNDER GRACE" Romans 6:14.
 

jamie

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Most of the bible is about laws and rules.

Thank God that Christians are not under them.

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are NOT UNDER THE LAW , BUT UNDER GRACE" Romans 6:14.

Did you ever have an employer that had no rules or policies?
 

jamie

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"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are NOT UNDER THE LAW , BUT UNDER GRACE" Romans 6:14.

No one is under the law that Paul was referring to. That law has vanished as Paul said it would.

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