I CHOOSE to be here of my own Free Will
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so how do you prove free will?
Anto9us
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Look at all the passages -- all through the Bible -- where GOD HIMSELF
tells people to "choose"
starting with Adam and Eve where "don't eat of this one tree"
implies that they can CHOOSE to eat of it or not --
Joshua saying "CHOOSE this day who you will serve"
Elisha or whoever it was saying "Why halt you between two opinions? THROW DOWN this Jezebel!" -- and they did.
And the queen that Elijah couldn't best - Elisha did
oh, yes, but it was all GOD that did the stuff - yeah
but ya know
there is that theme of
while here on earth
"He has no hands but our hands"
"Sin is crouching at the door" - from Cain's time til now
but Yahweh says we can choose not to let it master us
"CHOOSE, Matthew! Leave the tax collector's table behind and follow me!"
"Choose, Peter and Andrew - do you want to follow me and fish for men?"
God presenting a CHOICE for people runs right through the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
A "lack of human free will" is not a biblical concept in any way whatsoever.
tells people to "choose"
starting with Adam and Eve where "don't eat of this one tree"
implies that they can CHOOSE to eat of it or not --
Joshua saying "CHOOSE this day who you will serve"
Elisha or whoever it was saying "Why halt you between two opinions? THROW DOWN this Jezebel!" -- and they did.
And the queen that Elijah couldn't best - Elisha did
oh, yes, but it was all GOD that did the stuff - yeah
but ya know
there is that theme of
while here on earth
"He has no hands but our hands"
"Sin is crouching at the door" - from Cain's time til now
but Yahweh says we can choose not to let it master us
"CHOOSE, Matthew! Leave the tax collector's table behind and follow me!"
"Choose, Peter and Andrew - do you want to follow me and fish for men?"
God presenting a CHOICE for people runs right through the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
A "lack of human free will" is not a biblical concept in any way whatsoever.
Go for a day without sinning...lay down now and die, then take up your life again.
's no such thing s free will
would you like to go a day without sinning?
You prove the point, we all would like to go a day and our whole lives without sinning...that is our will
...but our wills are in bondage to sin and to death. Our wills can't be at one and the same time be in bondage and free.
How to be FREE?
Christ has taken sin out of the equation for those who believe in Him
by baring them on the cross...He also took our death so that even if a man should die yet shall He live.
That is not according to OUR will but according to His own sovereign will.
is it everyone's will?
Whether it is or not nobody can perform it. Perhaps the outright sinners are just more honest.
I am not saying we can't get victory over sin, but the victory is not in us or by our will or the exercise of our will but the victory is in the cross.
Paul says before ye knew God [or rather were known of God] ye were in BONDAGE to the elemental spirits of the universe
But Christ set you FREE.
Your argument therefore is with Paul. SLAVES he says, slaves to sin....but now slaves of righteousness.
What a load of poppycock.
God said "thou shalt NOT" this you say means they may if'n they want to.
"Choose ye this day who you will serve" so if you choose to serve God...whose will is that ? it is God's will
If you choose not to serve you die...dead men do not have free will.
What about the Egyptians? did they get a choice? no...the Anakin? no, the Philistines? the Moab? the ancient Brits?
So you see choice is not freewill, choice is the command to choose between options, they can't choose their own options, they can't even choose not to choose.
The only one who has free sovereign will is God.
If man had freewill then of a truth the cross is no longer needed, all God ever had to do was offer the choice and all we had to do was obey.
The cross PROVES that of himself man has not the power to obey God...first he must die. Die to WHAT? why die to himself of course, die to his "freewill"
The cross PROVES that of himself man has not the power to obey God...first he must die. Die to WHAT? why die to himself of course, die to his "freewill"
It is the wrong question, in the old old Catholic days of hermits when they used to build great pillars in the desert and live on them so that they would not be contaminated by the world...they made the discovery, sin followed them to the top of their pillars.
Man is BOUND to sin and he is BOUND to die. Whether he wills to or not he will sin.
Anto9us
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"he is BOUND to die"
Is THAT RIGHT??
So whoever said
"he who believes in me - even though he die - he shall live forever"
that person must have been MAD
(according to Totton Linnet)
Totton - Totton - Totton Linnet
so obsessed with SIN -- that he FELL RIGHT IN IT
comes to the board with curses flingin'
"unregenerate" - "unbeliever" - he goes singin'
Is THAT RIGHT??
So whoever said
"he who believes in me - even though he die - he shall live forever"
that person must have been MAD
(according to Totton Linnet)
Totton - Totton - Totton Linnet
so obsessed with SIN -- that he FELL RIGHT IN IT
comes to the board with curses flingin'
"unregenerate" - "unbeliever" - he goes singin'
You could not disprove that man is not BOUND to sin and you cannot disprove that he is not BOUND to die "even though he die"
Pipsqueak
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These are the two witness...they will reappear on earth...and they will be slain....they will die.
...Pipsqueak
...Pipsqueak