Gay Rights or Freedom of Religion and Speech?

CherubRam · Mar 30, 2015

Gay Rights or Freedom of Religion and Speech?

Which is more important?

Should the people be made to give up their religious beliefs, and freedom of speech, for Homosexuals?

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,...

Indiana governor: New law 'not about discrimination'
http://news.yahoo.com/pence-effort-clarify-religious-objections-law-underway-050406066.html

CherubRam · Mar 30, 2015

In American Christian congregations, it is reported that Gay's are going from congregation to congregation, in search of bringing law suits to obtain the properties of the Christian congregations; that is so they can use the new laws to destroy Christianity. This is done with the help of Judges and Lawyers who advocate for homosexuality.

CherubRam · Mar 30, 2015

Many Gay's seek political office in order to change laws in favor of homosexuality.

List of the first LGBT holders of political offices in the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ers_of_political_offices_in_the_United_States

Caino · Mar 30, 2015

Gay people have the right to live in a secular society free from your religions persecution. When a Christian opens business in the secular world then a persons religion or sexual orientation should not be a consideration.

CherubRam · Mar 30, 2015

Caino said:
Gay people have the right to live in a secular society free from your religions persecution. When a Christian opens business in the secular world then a persons religion or sexual orientation should not be a consideration.

So then, you think that peoples religious beliefs should by set aside for the worldly?

Rusha · Mar 30, 2015

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion (as well as the right to reject religion) should always be considered the priority.

The only time that wouldn't be the case is when they are being used to harm another person. Rejecting a total stranger (as in customer) does not constitute harm, btw.

CherubRam · Mar 30, 2015

Caino said:
Gay people have the right to live in a secular society free from your religions persecution. When a Christian opens business in the secular world then a persons religion or sexual orientation should not be a consideration.

The fact that this commandment has been set aside for Gays is proof of our toleration. And now Gays are dictating what our religious beliefs should be, and also to accept them and their beliefs.

Leviticus 20:13. KJV
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Lon · Mar 30, 2015

Kansas also has a similar religious concern in the news. Of course ACLU is up in arms. Kansas has also passed another anti-abortion bill. We might all have to move to Kansas!

Homosexual Seattle Mayor Ed Murray banned any paid government officials from going to Indiana for government business.

Oddly, the ACLU doesn't seem to care about that

lain:

Jordan Fontenot · Mar 30, 2015

Recently our mayor issued a subpoena which required all churches in the city to submit transcripts of their sermons and copies of publications in order to criminalize those who were "bashing" homosexuality.

So apparently the solution to ending a bashing of homosexuality is by a bashing of Christianity. Don't quite follow that logic.

Personally I believe that gay rights should be protected under freedom of speech and religion just as much as Christianity should be protected under it. Gays have a lifestyle that I don't agree with, but I have one that they don't agree with. To me that doesn't make us enemies, that makes us equals.

john w · Mar 30, 2015

The sodomite question is not about "rights;" it's about acceptance. That is the agenda, as this "rights" jazz is the proverbial "smoke screen."

I'm off to marry my parakeet. It's my right, and I demand that this society accept it.

Lon · Mar 30, 2015

john w said:
The sodomite question is not about "rights;" it's about acceptance. That is the agenda, as this "rights" jazz is the proverbial "smoke screen."

I'm off to marry my parakeet. It's my right, and I demand that this society accept it.

:doh: PETA is coming to Texas, Brother.

john w · Mar 30, 2015

Lon said:
:doh: PETA is coming to Texas, Brother.

Well, Lon, I used "Sponge Bob" to wash my car this past weekend. Reckon I'm afixinta be in trouble?

Lon · Mar 30, 2015

john w said:
Well, Lon, I used "Sponge Bob" to wash my car this past weekend. Reckon I'm afixinta be in trouble?

Real Sponge or synthetic? Either way, that's EPA. I don't believe they and PETA communicate so you should be safe. Well, unless you live in Mayberry, that's the same department in the mayor's office.

shagster01 · Mar 30, 2015

CherubRam said:
Gay Rights or Freedom of Religion and Speech?

Which is more important?

Should the people be made to give up their religious beliefs, and freedom of speech, for Homosexuals?

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,...

Indiana governor: New law 'not about discrimination'
http://news.yahoo.com/pence-effort-clarify-religious-objections-law-underway-050406066.html

What free speech or religious beliefs would they be losing?

CherubRam · Mar 30, 2015

shagster01 said:
What free speech or religious beliefs would they be losing?

For a starter, marriage between a man and woman only, secondly, not be able to preach or speak against homosexuality, thirdly, to be accepted into the congregations. There are those who also want Gay priest. I'm sure there are more things that can be added to the list.

Simon Baker · Mar 30, 2015

john w said:
The sodomite question is not about "rights;" it's about acceptance. That is the agenda, as this "rights" jazz is the proverbial "smoke screen."

I'm off to marry my parakeet. It's my right, and I demand that this society accept it.

I Love My Dogs. I Love My Friends. I Can Marry One Because This Is A Free Country. One Obvious Problem Politically And Socially Is FRAUD. I Can Marry A Guy ? Easy, I Can Fake My Love And Get The Benefits Of "Marriage", And I Have Yet To Mention What The Bible Says. Wrong No Matter How You Slice It.

shagster01 · Mar 30, 2015

CherubRam said:
For a starter, marriage between a man and woman only

So they lose their religious right to control other people's love life? Oh no.

secondly, not be able to preach or speak against homosexuality,

I have two thoughts here

1. Says who? They can say whatever they want.

2. Why do Christians spend their time preaching against things they hate, rather than for things they support?

thirdly, to be accepted into the congregations.

Christians will lose their right to be accepted into congregations?

There are those who also want Gay priest. I'm sure there are more things that can be added to the list.

There are plenty of gay priests already.

Simon Baker · Mar 30, 2015

CherubRam said:
Gay Rights or Freedom of Religion and Speech?

Which is more important?

Should the people be made to give up their religious beliefs, and freedom of speech, for Homosexuals?

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

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or abridging the freedom of speech,...

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Indiana governor: New law 'not about discrimination'
http://news.yahoo.com/pence-effort-clarify-religious-objections-law-underway-050406066.html

I Trust That Is Correct About Amendment 1. if So, It Is In Print. I Interpret That As ANY CHURCH Can Choose NOT To Accept Homosexuals In The Church, The BOC.

Lon · Mar 30, 2015

Simon Baker said:
I Love My Dogs. I Love My Friends. I Can Marry One Because This Is A Free Country. One Obvious Problem Politically And Socially Is FRAUD. I Can Marry A Guy ? Easy, I Can Fake My Love And Get The Benefits Of "Marriage", And I Have Yet To Mention What The Bible Says. Wrong No Matter How You Slice It.

What if his parakeet can say "I do?" :think:

rexlunae · Mar 30, 2015

CherubRam said:
Gay Rights or Freedom of Religion and Speech?

Which is more important?

I reject the dichotomy. I don't believe they are in conflict, and moreover, I don't think they really can conflict. The rights that being LGBT entails are just human rights, which include free speech and free religion as well as civil rights. The insistence that some people have on trying to reject the rights of LGBT people on religious grounds is an attempt to rationalize an injustice by using ones own rights as a weapon illegitimately.

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