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Why do you persist in ridiculing that which you obviously don't understand nor want to? What does it profit you? Better you would shut up and listen.
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Why do you persist in ridiculing that which you obviously don't understand nor want to? What does it profit you? Better you would shut up and listen.
He has had something to do with the Mormons. They are deep into genealogies of the flesh as if it is of any importance to God now.
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So far he has not denied it. I have been trying to get him to explain his beliefs instead of being vague and asking us questions. He brings up the fact that Jesus spoke in parables, and claims we do not understand because it has been hidden from us.
I do not have God's Truth hidden from me. The Apostles made KNOWN the mystery.
Kayaker seems hesitant to explain his beliefs.
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It is NOT irrelevant. Paul was telling us that ALL are left to disobedience. Do you know what all means?
Paul is saying that to those who JUST GOT GRAFTED IN BY FAITH IN JESUS.
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<sigh> No further comment
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Paul was speaking about faith. It was by a promise and faith that Sarah conceived a child. It was about those whom God choose to bring His Son. God loved Abraham. Abraham and Sarah were married. God made them a promise.
Paul says it is NOT the NATURAL children who are God’s children! See scripture 8. We are related to Abraham by faith.
Jesus is the promised Seed.
Jesus, as to his earthly side is a descendant of Abraham.
We have to have faith like Abraham. It has nothing to do with having faith in the man Abraham.
Again, DESCENDANT MEANS BLOOD RELATED.
Paul tells us in Romans that they are descendants of Abraham.
See Romans 9:7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."
Gentiles are related by faith. That is what the Bible says.
You blasphemy things you do not understand.
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It is your loss.
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This is a public discussion board. No one here has the right to tell you to not post.
What exactly are you trying to say?
Accepted by the Jew? The Jews are blood related to Abraham.
Of course, it is about our faith!
That is a mantra of your false teachers.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say we have to learn another language to know God's Truth. God brings us the message in our language.
What nonsense, for we are IN him, and he is IN us.
You argue about words that do not matter. The Bible warns not to do that.
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We are speaking about spiritual things.
You keep trying to bring in some demon seed into the faith. You need to stop that nonsense. What don’t you get about JACOB and ESAU having the same father?
God is our Father IF we do what God says. The devil is your father if you do what the devil says. This is about spiritual things. This is not about the flesh, as you try so hard to make it.
Demons have convinced you that there is a demon race of people who are biologically related to the devil---and you are the one laughing at me.
No one is BLOOD RELATED TO SATAN.
I would like to chase the demonisms from God’s Word that you are trying to project into it.
Probably from the thoughts Satan put in your mind. Satan is the god of this world, the prince of AIR.
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I think that LA was speaking about kayaker.
Why don't you humble yourself and learn how to discuss with others?
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God brought Jesus to us physically, from a descendant, a blood relative of Abraham. God made a promise to Abraham that He would bring someone from his own flesh and blood.
God chose Abraham because of Abraham's faith in God. God loved Abraham because Abraham did what God said to do. Abraham obeyed God. God even tested Abraham's faith when He asked Abraham to sacrifice his son.
God gave the law as given to Moses to keep the people until He brought His Son. God had the people do ceremonial works to make themselves clean just to worship Him. God was among the people, and God was in the tent, and later the temple. The law was not based on faith. A person could keep the law but not have faith in God. For instance, a person could sin, give a sin offering, but not really be sorry for their sin. The Jews were no different than Gentiles when it came to sinning, except that the Jews had the ceremonial works to clean themselves. God was bringing His Son through Abraham...and the law was a teaching tool about sacrifice, and forgiveness through blood. The old law was a shadow of Jesus Christ.
Now that Jesus has come through the bloodline of Abraham...God does not choose anyone anymore according to being blood related to Abraham. Now God chooses us through the blood of His Son, Jesus Christ. We must come to God through faith in His Son. Why faith in Jesus’ blood? We must have faith that Jesus' blood cleans us from all our sins.
God chose Abraham because of Abraham's faith in God. God loved Abraham because Abraham did what God said to do. Abraham obeyed God. God even tested Abraham's faith when He asked Abraham to sacrifice his son.
God gave the law as given to Moses to keep the people until He brought His Son. God had the people do ceremonial works to make themselves clean just to worship Him. God was among the people, and God was in the tent, and later the temple. The law was not based on faith. A person could keep the law but not have faith in God. For instance, a person could sin, give a sin offering, but not really be sorry for their sin. The Jews were no different than Gentiles when it came to sinning, except that the Jews had the ceremonial works to clean themselves. God was bringing His Son through Abraham...and the law was a teaching tool about sacrifice, and forgiveness through blood. The old law was a shadow of Jesus Christ.
Now that Jesus has come through the bloodline of Abraham...God does not choose anyone anymore according to being blood related to Abraham. Now God chooses us through the blood of His Son, Jesus Christ. We must come to God through faith in His Son. Why faith in Jesus’ blood? We must have faith that Jesus' blood cleans us from all our sins.
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God's Truth wrote: Originally Posted by jsjohnnt View Post
To be clear, we are not saved "in" (en) but "into" (eis) Christ.
What nonsense, for we are IN him, and he is IN us.
Sadly, I cannot debate the ignorant. The NT message was written in Greek. And you do not know what the text says, if you refuse to confirm our translations (KJV, NASV, EV, RSV etc.) . There are plenty of fairly non-technical aids that help when we want to search out the meaning of the gk wording, ourselves. The fact remains that we are to be found "into" Christ. That is what the text says in Gal 3:26,27, that we are baptized into Christ. Significant because baptism is one of several paths "into" Christ, where the blessings of salvation are to be found. In Romans 10:10 we confess INTO salvation, wording that renders "salvation" a living reality, not a propositional declaration. In John 14:1 we believe into God, again, making it clear that we are alive and well in God. I could go on, but the readers see my point, hopefully, whether you do or not.
You argued against the claim that we are saved by the faith of Christ, not our own faith. In Greek, the actual wording is “even the righteousness of God, through the faith OF 'or belonging' to Jesus Christ” Rom 3: 20-23. This fact puts the Romans passage inline with Hubakkuk 2:4 which says, "Behold, he whose soul is not upright in him shall fail, but the righteous shall live by his faith in whichever translation you choose to use. Why you would argue this fact is beyond me. The teaching puts Christ in the center of our very existence. Seems like a good thing. More than this, it puts new emphasis on the fact that we are "saved by faith apart from works of the law." If you accept that we saved by HIS faith, then, OF COURSE, our salvation is "apart from" anything we do, as per scripture.
To be clear, we are not saved "in" (en) but "into" (eis) Christ.
What nonsense, for we are IN him, and he is IN us.
Sadly, I cannot debate the ignorant. The NT message was written in Greek. And you do not know what the text says, if you refuse to confirm our translations (KJV, NASV, EV, RSV etc.) . There are plenty of fairly non-technical aids that help when we want to search out the meaning of the gk wording, ourselves. The fact remains that we are to be found "into" Christ. That is what the text says in Gal 3:26,27, that we are baptized into Christ. Significant because baptism is one of several paths "into" Christ, where the blessings of salvation are to be found. In Romans 10:10 we confess INTO salvation, wording that renders "salvation" a living reality, not a propositional declaration. In John 14:1 we believe into God, again, making it clear that we are alive and well in God. I could go on, but the readers see my point, hopefully, whether you do or not.
You argued against the claim that we are saved by the faith of Christ, not our own faith. In Greek, the actual wording is “even the righteousness of God, through the faith OF 'or belonging' to Jesus Christ” Rom 3: 20-23. This fact puts the Romans passage inline with Hubakkuk 2:4 which says, "Behold, he whose soul is not upright in him shall fail, but the righteous shall live by his faith in whichever translation you choose to use. Why you would argue this fact is beyond me. The teaching puts Christ in the center of our very existence. Seems like a good thing. More than this, it puts new emphasis on the fact that we are "saved by faith apart from works of the law." If you accept that we saved by HIS faith, then, OF COURSE, our salvation is "apart from" anything we do, as per scripture.
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All those Jews, the blood related to Abraham...the people who obeyed the old law...not all had faith, the old law was not based on faith. However, some Jews who obeyed the old law did have faith. Those who did not have faith were cut off and hardened, so that when Jesus came, they would not understand and be saved, because Jesus came first for those who ALREADY belonged to God BY FAITH.
After Jesus came first for those who already belonged to God by faith, Jesus was crucified and said all men could come to him. Paul says that first for the Jews then the Gentiles.
After Jesus came first for those who already belonged to God by faith, Jesus was crucified and said all men could come to him. Paul says that first for the Jews then the Gentiles.
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It is your loss.
Abraham had faith before he was required to be circumcised as a sign of his faith.
This alone shows that one who is now being circumcised by the Spirit in the heart in the cutting away of their fleshiness is indeed in the true faith.
By some saying that it all occurs at the moment of their receiving the Holy Spirit, is like Abraham being circumcised when he first believed, which he was not.
It also makes the instructions of putting away the things of the flesh to the new believers to be unnecessary--
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
In other words-
Those who are not mortifying the deeds of the flesh, have turned away from the faith, because even if we should stray, we have a high Priest who will act to turn us back to Him.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
So that those who have no experience of this, are not sons, but could be babes who have mothers on earth guided by the chief shepherd.
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This alone shows that one who is now being circumcised by the Spirit in the heart in the cutting away of their fleshiness is indeed in the true faith.
By some saying that it all occurs at the moment of their receiving the Holy Spirit, is like Abraham being circumcised when he first believed, which he was not.
It also makes the instructions of putting away the things of the flesh to the new believers to be unnecessary--
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
In other words-
Those who are not mortifying the deeds of the flesh, have turned away from the faith, because even if we should stray, we have a high Priest who will act to turn us back to Him.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
So that those who have no experience of this, are not sons, but could be babes who have mothers on earth guided by the chief shepherd.
LA
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II Cor 4:16: "Though we are outwardly wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day." Maturity in Christ, "circumcision" of or by the Spirit, is a process that takes a life-time.
Eph 4:13 speaks of this process, as well, with the words " . . . . until we all reach unity in the faith and knowledge of the Son of God, and become mature, attaining the whole measure of the fulness of Christ."
Is this process what you are talking about?