Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !

That we might be justified by faith.

That we might be justified by faith.

Gal 3:24

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

The Gospel Promise is, the Just shall live by Faith Hab 2:4

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Now understand something, being Justified by Faith is not conditioned upon mans so called freewill, nay, its conditioned on the Predestination of God, thats what the shalls of God mean, it shall happen because He predetermined it to happen. He predetermined that the Just shall live by Faith.

Remember Pauls great summation here Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Now what does it say about them predestinated in Vs 30, they are Called, then Justified, and that my friends stands for Justified by Faith, because it follows being called by the Gospel 2 Thess 2:14 !

But this Justification by Faith from Hearing the Gospel started back from God's Purpose Vs 28, which is the Purpose of Election Rom 9:11, So they were foreknew, predestinated, Called, and Justified [by Faith] and Glorified !

That we might be justified by faith 2

That we might be justified by faith 2

That the Elects/Believers Justification by Faith was Predestinated to happen is seen also here Rom 3:30

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Whenever the wor shall is used as it pertains to what God shall do, then its predestinated to happen, God has predetermined to do it, in this case God has predetermined to Justify the circumcision [jews] by Faith and the uncircumcision [Gentiles] through Faith !

The word shall is the key, it means its something predetermined by God, for Him to do, Acts 15:18

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Now in other words, God in His Eternal Purpose in Christ, had already determined, decreed that He was going to Justify some out of the circumcision [ethnic jews] by Faith, and some of the uncircumcision [Gentiles] through Faith, and again Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The words " would Justify" again points to God's predestination of what He would do !

The word would meaning:

I.to will deliberately, have a purpose, be minded

God preordained exactly who shall and would be Justified by Faith, also Eph 1:5 inicates the same :

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

choosing to be chosen........

choosing to be chosen........

beloved57 said:

God preordained exactly who shall and would be Justified by Faith, also Eph 1:5 inicates the same :

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

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Sure, God desires all to be saved, does He not? All therefore are predestined by that desire to be included in the adoption, as any Good Father would will for his children. The father of the prodigal son waited for his wayward son to return, hoping that he was awaken to his remember his true home and estate.

If a soul truly has 'free will' (any measure), he has the liberty to reject or accept what has been predestined for him, by God's good will. The soul ultimately chooses.



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Evasion !

The World in Jn 3:16 !

The World in Jn 3:16 !

Jn 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The World in Jn 3:16, whom God SO LOVED , is the World He Chose, Sees and Loves in Christ Jesus , Its that Love Paul speaks of here Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Word Love in the original is preceded by the definite article, God's Only Love and its in Christ Jesus, and its towards a World Chosen in Christ Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Yes its the same world of people here Deut 7:6-7

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

The word world also denotes [in Jn 3:16] that God's Love and Salvation of Israel His People was not restricted to the ethnic jews, In Christ Jesus, whom God's Love is centered in Rom 8:39, In Him there is neither jew or Gentile: Gal 3:28-29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Salvation/ Justification not based upon mans works !

Salvation/ Justification not based upon mans works !

Scripture has declared on numerous occasions that Salvation is not based upon the work of man, yet the religionists will tell us that it is based upon ones works, but they say it differently, by saying its based upon ones will or freewill, which speaks to the very same thing as saying , its based upon our works.

Remember in Rom 9:11,16

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

This is said while in the context of Election to Salvation ! Paul writes of it :

"not of works, but of him that calleth" And on down in Vs 16 where he reiterates the point that its not of works, he writes:

"it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." Mercy has reference to our sinfulness and wretchedness !

The word willeth here means works, and heres how; The greek word is Theleo :

I.to will, have in mind, intend

A.to be resolved or determined, to purpose


B.to desire, to wish


C.to love




D.to take delight in, have pleasure


érgon (from ergō, "to work, accomplish") – a work or worker who accomplishes something. 2041 /érgon ("work") is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intension, purpose).

So you see, willeth is another form of saying a work,So then it is not of him that willeth/worketh, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Yet those who advocate mans freewill or will in salvation, they go against what is written in the word of Truth, they are anti truth, they are false witnesses, believe them not, they are not of God !

beloved57 said:

Gal 3:24

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. ...

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The elect do not need a "schoolmaster". A schoolmaster's purpose is teaching; learning that which is taught constitutes works. Justification is not based on learning. The elect do not need to learn anything in order to be justified, so a schoolmaster was not needed; the law was unnecessary for the elect.

Paul was mistaken.

beloved57 said:

Scripture has declared on numerous occasions that Salvation is not based upon the work of man ...

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misc

The elect do not need a "schoolmaster"

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Really ? Do you have a scripture that says that ?

beloved57 said:

Scripture has declared on numerous occasions that Salvation is not based upon the work of man, yet the religionists will tell us that it is based upon ones works, but they say it differently, by saying its based upon ones will or freewill, which speaks to the very same thing as saying , its based upon our works.

Remember in Rom 9:11,16

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

This is said while in the context of Election to Salvation ! Paul writes of it :

"not of works, but of him that calleth" And on down in Vs 16 where he reiterates the point that its not of works, he writes:

"it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." Mercy has reference to our sinfulness and wretchedness !

The word willeth here means works, and heres how; The greek word is Theleo :

I.to will, have in mind, intend

A.to be resolved or determined, to purpose


B.to desire, to wish


C.to love




D.to take delight in, have pleasure


érgon (from ergō, "to work, accomplish") – a work or worker who accomplishes something. 2041 /érgon ("work") is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intension, purpose).

So you see, willeth is another form of saying a work,So then it is not of him that willeth/worketh, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Yet those who advocate mans freewill or will in salvation, they go against what is written in the word of Truth, they are anti truth, they are false witnesses, believe them not, they are not of God !

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Absolutely they are not of God!

As you have clearly illustrated, Salvation is not by man's freewill, but God's Will.

Yet thinking they are likened to God Ps. 50:21; that by their own will, they can make the decision
to have eternal life is actually degrading to God. It's a perverted gospel Paul warned about Gal. 1:8-9.

Accepting Christ, calling, coming, believing, or placing one's faith in Him;
or taking any kind of "step" at all, constitutes a work and is in violation of the teaching of the Scriptures.

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Absolutely they are not of God!

As you have clearly illustrated, Salvation is not by man's freewill, but God's Will.

Yet thinking they are likened to God Ps. 50:21; that by their own will, they can make the decision
to have eternal life is actually degrading to God. It's a perverted gospel Paul warned about Gal. 1:8-9.

Accepting Christ, calling, coming, believing, or placing one's faith in Him;
or taking any kind of "step" at all, constitutes a work and is in violation of the teaching of the Scriptures.

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Amen !

beloved57 said:

misc



Really ? Do you have a scripture that says that ?

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Yep; the same one you used.

beloved57 said:

Scripture has declared on numerous occasions that Salvation is not based upon the work of man...

Remember in Rom 9:11,16

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

This is said while in the context of Election to Salvation ! Paul writes of it :...

...nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

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Having a schoolmaster is works. The elect don't need to learn. Learning from a schoolmaster is works.

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Yep; the same one you used.



Having a schoolmaster is works. The elect don't need to learn. Learning from a schoolmaster is works.

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Where is the scripture that says that ?

You said the law was our schoolmaster.

I said the elect don't need the schoolmaster.

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Where is the scripture that says that ?

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I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

For the law made nothing perfect

Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace



Yours: Rom 9:11,16

Mine: Romans 3:20 , Galatians 2:16, Acts 13:39, Romans 3:28, Romans 4:15, Galatians 5:4, Hebrews 4:1, Hebrews 6:4-6, Hebrews 12:15, 2 Peter 3:17, Galatians 1:6-9, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Revelation 2:5

More?

miscellaneous said:

You said the law was our schoolmaster.

I said the elect don't need the schoolmaster.



I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

For the law made nothing perfect

Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace



Yours: Rom 9:11,16

Mine: Romans 3:20 , Galatians 2:16, Acts 13:39, Romans 3:28, Romans 4:15, Galatians 5:4, Hebrews 4:1, Hebrews 6:4-6, Hebrews 12:15, 2 Peter 3:17, Galatians 1:6-9, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Revelation 2:5

More?

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What scripture says that the Elect didn't need a schoolmaster ? You want me to just take your word for it ?

Shall reign in Life by One Jesus Christ !

Shall reign in Life by One Jesus Christ !

Rom 5:17

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Listen, Just as by the One Mans sin, many received as its wages death, much more, or to out do or excede that, by One Man Jesus Christ many shall receive the Gift of Righteousness [by imputation] and Grace abundance [spiritual enablement] and shall reign in Life, which means , they will live victoriously in this Life ! John writes 1 Jn 5:4

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Reigning and Overcoming, being Victorious are all related words, yet the point of the verse in Rom 5:17 is that those Christ died for shall be overcomers, victorious in Faith, thats an aspect of how they shall reign in Life by Jesus Christ, meaning His Work on the Cross for them !

Whats that which was Lost ?

Whats that which was Lost ?

Christ came to seek and to save that which was Lost Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Now the That which was Lost, and Christ, the Son of Man came to seek and to save is the Church, the Wheat, the Children of the Kingdom.

Notice He calls Himself here the Son of Man !

That same term is used here Matt 13:36-38

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The Church was those in Adam made in the Image and Likeness of God, and it was the Church made in the Image and Likeness of God that first sinned in Adam,

Jesus calls that Matt 13:24,37-38

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The Church that Jesus sowed is the Good Seed, not because they were good in and of themselves, but because God and the Lord Jesus Christ had a merciful purpose in store for them, having chosen them already in Christ, the Son of Man, they were those Vessels of Mercy we read of in Rom 9:23 , and so that is who He came to seek and to save;

For it was never all mankind without exception He came to seek and to save, excluded was the children of the wicked one, the tares Matt 13:38

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

These the devil sowed do not belong to the group that the Son of Man sowed in the beginning Matt 13:37,

And only the Ones the Son of Man sowed were made in the Image and Likeness of God, and they were Lost in the Fall of Adam, but they were sought out by the Son of Man to Save them from their Fall in Adam !

Exposing False teaching about Jesus Christ !

Exposing False teaching about Jesus Christ !

Jesus tells His True People of all ages that we shall know the enemy of the Truth Matt 7:14-20

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

This includes first and foremost the fruit of their understanding of what Christ's Death was to accomplish in the purpose of God !

False teachers make a lot of noise that seems to give honor to Christ and His Saving Mission, but in reality they only dishonor it, by making Him come short of the Fathers Purpose as to exactly what results should flow and succeed from His Death.

We will look at some scriptures that reveal the purpose that was to be accomplished by Him dying for whom He died for, the Elect of God !

And anything short of these intended results would deem Him a Failure !

Titus 2:11-14

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Vs 14 here makes a statement as to what Christ was to accomplish by His Death, here stated as : "He gave Himself for us" That means His Death,

And here is why, introduced by the conjunction hina in the word THAT which means:

I.that, in order that, so that :

hína (a subordinating conjunction) – for the purpose that (in order that), looking to the aim (intended result) of the verbal idea. 2443 /hína ("for the purpose that") is "the semantically marked (dramatic) way of expressing purpose in Greek (as compared for example to the plain infinitive)" (G. Archer).

To make it plain, it denotes God's Purpose ! And this is what scripture makes plain about the Almighty's Purpose:

Isa 14:24,27

The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

That word disannul means :

ii.to frustrate, make ineffectual

Now who can make ineffectual the Purpose of Christ's Death as stated in Vs 14 of Titus 2:14 ?

Heres what is stated, He died or gave Himslf for us [Believers] that or for the purpose of :

redeeming us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Now if this stated purpose is not accomplished for every soul Christ gave Himself for, then His Death was ineffectual to that end ! And every spirit that teaches , remember 1 Jn 4:1 that any for whom Christ died, shall fall short of being redeemed from all iniquity, purified unto Christ as a peculiar person, and made zealous of good works, that teacher is a false teacher, a antichrist ! We know this by their fruit, which opposes the Purpose of God in Christ's Death !

beloved57 said:

Jesus tells His True People of all ages that we shall know the enemy of the Truth Matt 7:14-20

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

This includes first and foremost the fruit of their understanding of what Christ's Death was to accomplish in the purpose of God !

False teachers make a lot of noise that seems to give honor to Christ and His Saving Mission, but in reality they only dishonor it, by making Him come short of the Fathers Purpose as to exactly what results should flow and succeed from His Death.

We will look at some scriptures that reveal the purpose that was to be accomplished by Him dying for whom He died for, the Elect of God !

And anything short of these intended results would deem Him a Failure !

Titus 2:11-14

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Vs 14 here makes a statement as to what Christ was to accomplish by His Death, here stated as : "He gave Himself for us" That means His Death,

And here is why, introduced by the conjunction hina in the word THAT which means:

I.that, in order that, so that :

hína (a subordinating conjunction) – for the purpose that (in order that), looking to the aim (intended result) of the verbal idea. 2443 /hína ("for the purpose that") is "the semantically marked (dramatic) way of expressing purpose in Greek (as compared for example to the plain infinitive)" (G. Archer).

To make it plain, it denotes God's Purpose ! And this is what scripture makes plain about the Almighty's Purpose:

Isa 14:24,27

The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

That word disannul means :

ii.to frustrate, make ineffectual

Now who can make ineffectual the Purpose of Christ's Death as stated in Vs 14 of Titus 2:14 ?

Heres what is stated, He died or gave Himslf for us [Believers] that or for the purpose of :

redeeming us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Now if this stated purpose is not accomplished for every soul Christ gave Himself for, then His Death was ineffectual to that end ! And every spirit that teaches , remember 1 Jn 4:1 that any for whom Christ died, shall fall short of being redeemed from all iniquity, purified unto Christ as a peculiar person, and made zealous of good works, that teacher is a false teacher, a antichrist ! We know this by their fruit, which opposes the Purpose of God in Christ's Death !

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Although this world is now is inundated with satan's false prophets on every side, nevertheless,
Christ's death was Victorious for every one of us who are His peculiar (periousios) people:
a People selected by the Father to be His Possession!

TY for another comprehensive study in Truth!

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Nanja said:

Although this world is now is inundated with satan's false prophets on every side, nevertheless,
Christ's death was Victorious for every one of us who are His peculiar (periousios) people:
a People selected by the Father to be His Possession!

TY for another comprehensive study in Truth!

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Bless you !

Exposing False teaching about Jesus Christ !2

Exposing False teaching about Jesus Christ !2

Now to be redeemed from all iniquity as Titus 2:14 states, it means that those Christ died for are redeemed from the penalty and guilt of their iniquities, and the power of their iniquities !

They must come to a conscious realization of the realization that Christ's Blood has totally delivered them from sin and the guilt of it. This was something that was not provided for under the OT economy of the blood of bulls and goats, they always were reminded of their iniquities Heb 9:8-9

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;


Heb 10:1-4

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

In other words, God would not allow them to have a conscience free from the guilt of their sins under that economy because of the insufficency of those sacrifices to take away their sins permanently !

But when it came to the Sacrifice of Christ, or the giving of Himself, it took away once and for all, all their iniquities before the Law and Justice of God, that now they will have their consciences purified from all sin against them ! Hence we read as a result of Christ's Blood shed this Heb 9:14

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Thats right, the Blood of Christ shall purge the consciences of those His Blood was shed for !

It purges away the guilt of sin, religious sin, or irreligious sins, they both are only dead works done in the flesh !

That word purge here in Heb 9:14 is the same word purify in Titus 2:14 !

Now the reason why I explained this is because, this must occur as a result of Christ dying for our sins in the purpose of God.

Christ's redemptive death would have failed the purpose of God in Salvation through Christ, if indeed His Death did not redeem from all iniquity those He gave Himself for according to the Will of God !