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    Quote Originally Posted by webmaster View Post
    The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept Godís gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

    Who needs the gift
    The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of Godís great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

    A price to be paid
    The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is deathÖ"

    Payment in full
    But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Salvation
    However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from Godís sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Putting it all together
    The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.


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    Quote Originally Posted by webmaster View Post
    The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept Godís gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

    Who needs the gift
    The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of Godís great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

    A price to be paid
    The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is deathÖ"

    Payment in full
    But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Salvation
    However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from Godís sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Putting it all together
    The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.
    "It is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth, but of God who shows mercy." You are confusing God's determining the resurrection of God's elect from His work of salvation with the reaction of His people to the blessing God has bestowed upon them. Read Ephesians chapter two.

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    Question for you, Nick: Who accuses believers to God?

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    The second part --

    Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
    Mat 18:24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
    Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
    Mat 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
    Mat 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
    Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
    Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
    Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
    Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
    Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
    Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
    Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
    Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

    LA.
    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Paul's false teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by webmaster View Post
    The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept Godís gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

    Who needs the gift
    The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of Godís great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

    A price to be paid
    The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is deathÖ"

    Payment in full
    But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Salvation
    However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from Godís sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Putting it all together
    The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.
    Every "Christian" who has swallowed the swindle of "God's Gift" should go immediately to their nearest dictionary and look up the meaning of the word, "gift".

    That Pauline false teaching about accepting "God's gift of eternal life" is not about a gift at all, but a contract. If you all had read your dictionaries as well as you follow Paul Simon says, you'd know that a gift is not a gift when it comes with strings attached. That "gift" of eternal life has big strings attached so it's no gift at all but as I say, a contract: you do this, you get that. You don't do this, you get punished. Some "gift". This is the worst sort of coercion to get people to believe in God by scare tactics and it's pathetic for those of us who have formed a spiritual bond with God and the Spirit of Christ which is one of Family whereas yours is one of slave to a harsh Master. Read what Jesus says about that slave relationship in John's Gospel sometime..

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    Galatians 4:7 KJV
    (7) Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterbear View Post
    Every "Christian" who has swallowed the swindle of "God's Gift" should go immediately to their nearest dictionary and look up the meaning of the word, "gift".

    That Pauline false teaching about accepting "God's gift of eternal life" is not about a gift at all, but a contract. If you all had read your dictionaries as well as you follow Paul Simon says, you'd know that a gift is not a gift when it comes with strings attached. That "gift" of eternal life has big strings attached so it's no gift at all but as I say, a contract: you do this, you get that. You don't do this, you get punished. Some "gift". This is the worst sort of coercion to get people to believe in God by scare tactics and it's pathetic for those of us who have formed a spiritual bond with God and the Spirit of Christ which is one of Family whereas yours is one of slave to a harsh Master. Read what Jesus says about that slave relationship in John's Gospel sometime..
    So, what is it that Paul states we must do to receive the "gift"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by firon View Post
    "It is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth, but of God who shows mercy." You are confusing God's determining the resurrection of God's elect from His work of salvation with the reaction of His people to the blessing God has bestowed upon them. Read Ephesians chapter two.
    They have placed mans limited freewill that was in bondage to sin, in the same arena as Gods soveriegn will, and his ultimate plan for all men.

    Its still self righteous religion because you some how had the ability to go to God and except the free offer of salvation, but the scripture deputes this myth, God is the potter and man is the lump of clay without the will to seek after the Spirit, until God the potter makes it into the vessel of "His choice". Romans 9-11 explains it quite well but the christian religion doesn't what to teach that glorious truth that God will have mery on all, even those He blinded Romans 11:30-33.


    Eternal hell is a pagan myth and won't be found in the early english translations. But these lucky ones will say God is Love and wouldn't override someones freewill even if it was to save them! who needs a friend like that? if you had a loved one who was self destructing and you could prevent it you would, even if it was against their will, don't kid me with your God won't bs. Father they just won't let me save them, oh well son you tried, some sins must have fell out of the bag and escaped among the trees of the garden, where are you sin?

    Sorry greiving mother your rotten son is lost forever and Jesus didn't pay for all sin, and some death was victorious, his hands are tied and some things are not possible with God, and Jesus didn't overcome adams transgression for all so sorry, next second pew from the left, get the song book out and lets sing amazing grace for some lucky ones of Gods cosmic lottery.



    Grace, Zeke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky View Post
    Rumor has it "nowhere on TOL will you find how to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior", so I thought I would give this Front Page Report a bump.
    seek the truth, and the truth will set you free. maybe, just maybe you will find him in the book of books.

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    I believe any thorough discussion of the plan of Salvation should include some detail on the difference between justification, sanctification, and Salvation should it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky View Post
    Rumor has it "nowhere on TOL will you find how to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior", so I thought I would give this Front Page Report a bump.



    The most critical information is that one must know Jesus through His Spirit now, in real time in order to be saved and delivered.

    The spoken and written words of Jesus counts for nothing at this time, except to introduce the idea that one must seek Jesus, now in real time, in His Spirit and be led into our works by His Spirit, now in real time.

    It is Paul (not any of the disciples) who actually embrace Jesus in His Spirit (after Jesus physically left those precincts) and came to know Truth which saved and deliver one.

    Paul had the actual experience of communing with Jesus, in the correct way, i.e. through His Spirit, so as to get Truth and be led by Truth.

    This made Paul a Christian, an authentic one.

    There is no evidence in the KJV N.T. that any of the disciples had achieved this actualization, of actually becoming Christians, although it is recorded there that they were called Christians.

    There is clear evidence that Paul had achieve this actualization and become Christian.

    Therefore Paul can seek to convey how this is achieved and done.

    This is why Paul stand out. He was the first person to become an authentic Christian from among those people.

    How did he do it?

    He was led by Jesus who is the Truth, the way and the life.

    How was he led by Jesus? He was led by Jesus by discerning precisely what Jesus wanted him to know, pray for, say and do, intuitively and directly from the Spirit of Jesus within his own heart or spirit. Then he simply obey unconditionally, even if he had to transgress the law.

    There is no path to righteousness with God through the physically spoken and physically read words from Jesus or any one else.

    The path to God's righteousness is only though the Spirit of Jesus which God sent into the hearts of those under the law so that they might (i.e. have an opportunity to) become adopted children of God. One has to pick up this offer which is a gift from God. This is how it is done:

    One under the law has to awaken to his own spirit or heart (become born again). Then he has to search his heart or spirit so as to come into communion with the Spirit of Jesus within his own heart or spirit. Then one must discern in real time, all the time, precisely what this Spirit has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do. Then one must be led into all of one's work in real time, all the time, by unconditionally obeying (even if one has to transgress the law) precisely what this Spirit has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do as discerned in real time, all the time, from within one's own heart or spirit.

    This will put one under grace of God. This will make one a child of God, This will make one a Christian. This will earn one God given liberty and justification to transgress the Ten Commandments and not get sin. This will put one in absolute righteousness with God. By living in this manner one is glorified by God. When enough people on earth are living in this manner God's will comes to dominate on earth and God's kingdom of heaven descends to earth.

    This is a summary of the whole message. Jesus suffered persecution, denial, torture and death among men, to awaken this message, in the hearts of men.

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    Why do any of these questions matter if y'all serve an omniscient god.
    question:did jesus suffer worse than any other human on earth who was before or will come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webby View Post
    The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept Godís gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

    Who needs the gift
    The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of Godís great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

    A price to be paid
    The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is deathÖ"

    Payment in full
    But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Salvation
    However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from Godís sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Putting it all together
    The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.


    .....O LORD my God, in You I put my trust. Psalm 7:1
    .....To You, O LORD, I lift up my soul.
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    Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn a life around. ~ Leo Buscaglia

    The best portion of a personís life -- are the little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and love. ~ William Wordsworth

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    Quote Originally Posted by webby View Post
    The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept Godís gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

    Who needs the gift
    The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of Godís great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

    A price to be paid
    The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is deathÖ"

    Payment in full
    But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Salvation
    However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from Godís sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Putting it all together
    The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.

    Tuesday bump


    .....O LORD my God, in You I put my trust. Psalm 7:1
    .....To You, O LORD, I lift up my soul.
    Psalm 25:1

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    The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted Godís gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept Godís gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

    Who needs the gift
    The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of Godís great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

    A price to be paid
    The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is deathÖ"

    Payment in full
    But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Salvation
    However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from Godís sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Putting it all together
    The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.
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