raise taxes on the rich to support free college? Y not?

republicanchick

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It doesn't always sound so bad to tax the filthy rich and use the $$ to help the poor.

But here's the thing (1 thing anyway)

we don't HAVE to tax ANYONE to get $$ for free college.

We just have to take $$ away from the DUMB, wasteful programs the gov already has and use that for free college... (which free education I frankly do not have a problem with, per se)


A D would never even think of such a plan...

No, with them it is Tax and Spend, Tax and Spend, Tax and spend....

geez... Life is a continual shopping spree for them, with YOUR money


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republicanchick

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What is "filthy rich"?

500,000 a yr or more, I reckon... But again, I do NOT want any tax on ANYONE

I don't believe in taxes for anything except ESSENTIALS (roads, bridges, military... and college education b/c we need to be an educated nation in order to... well, now that I think about it, I do not support just any education... let's get rid of the lib college environment first...)
 

shagster01

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I think the poor should have access to a college education. I just think that we could take money out of one of the wasteful programs we already have and there is a plethora of them... to fund it

Imagine the college we could pay for without wasting our money on other countries problems.
 

Morpheus

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What is "filthy rich"?

Some think upper 1%, but that would include some with $300,000 incomes since there is even a huge income and wealth gap between lower end of upper 1% and the upper 0.1%. For example it's skewed by those making millions of dollars an hour. So "filthy rich" is subjective, but there is a lot of room to find a place to draw the line.

There are some now who are presenting the idea of eliminating the income tax and replacing it with a wealth tax. That would probably be a fairer system.

That Giant Sucking Sound...it's the Oligarchs​

The oligarchs are sucking dry America's middle and working class, while the rest of us are being left to feed off of their crumbs.

Paul Buchheit, a professor of economic inequality at DePaul University, has written a brilliant piece, detailing just how large, and outrageous, the wealth gap between the oligarchs and the rest of America has become.

Let's start off by looking at the Koch Brothers.

Each of the Koch brothers saw his investments grow by a staggering $6 billion last year, which, if you do the math, means that they each made about $3 million per hour last year, based on a 40-hour workweek.

Meanwhile, as Buchheit points out, the average restaurant server made just $2.13 per hour last year, less than one millionth of what the Koch brothers pulled in.


And while these numbers alone seem incredibly startling, they only begin to paint the picture of wealth inequality in America.

On any given day during the winter of 2012, there were around 633,000 homeless Americans on the streets, trying to survive another day.

According to Buchheit, based on an annual single room occupancy cost of $558 per month, any one of America's ten richest citizens would have enough money from his 2012 income to pay for a room for EVERY homeless person in the U.S. for the ENTIRE YEAR. One rich person not even sacrificing a penny of their more-than-a-billion-dollars wealth, just setting aside one year's income, could end all homelessness in America.

And if that's not mind-boggling enough, the total combined wealth of these ten wealthiest Americans is more than the entire U.S. federal housing budget. Even if all ten were to give up a year's income, their wealth is mind-boggling.

According to a survey by the U.S Conference of Mayors, nearly 20 percent of the homeless population in America is Hispanic, and the number is growing each day.

In fact, for every single dollar of assets that a single black or Hispanic woman has, a member of the Forbes 400 has over $40 million.

To put that wealth number in perspective, as Buchheit notes in his piece, for every one can of soup owned by a single Black or Hispanic woman one of our wealthiest Americans owns a $30 million mansion AND a $10 million yacht.


As of 2009, the poorest 47% of Americans owned an unbelievable zero percent of America's wealth, because their debts exceeded their assets. Contrast that with the era before Reaganomics, when the poorest 47% of Americans owned 2.5% of America's wealth.

The nation's wealth is now instead in the hands of the wealthiest Americans – the oligarchs. Right now, the 400 wealthiest Americans own as much wealth as 62% of our nation, which is the driving force behind America having the fourth highest level of wealth inequality in the world.

But why is it that America's oligarchs have managed to obtain so much wealth, while the rest of us have nearly nothing, and that one of America's wealthiest businessmen can afford to buy a yacht and a mansion, when a Hispanic woman just trying to survive is barely able to pay for a can of soup?

It's thanks in part to the high levels of financial secrecy in the U.S.

The Tax Justice Network's Financial Secrecy Index highlights places around the world that provide the safest havens for tax refugees – otherwise known as millionaires and billionaires who want to escape having to pay their fair share to help their economies so that they can accumulate massive piles of wealth.

And, not surprisingly, the United States ranks 5th in the 2011 Financial Secrecy Index, behind the traditional tax havens of Switzerland, the Cayman Islands, Luxembourg, and Hong Kong.

In other words, as millions of Americans struggle to survive each and every day, the wealthiest Americans, the oligarchs, are accumulating vast sums of wealth, without anyone saying a word, or raising a finger.

Just look at Mitt Romney.

During the campaign of 2012, there was a huge battle over his disclosure, or lack thereof, of just how rich he is. And in the end, while Romney did disclose some information about his assets, including the fact that he was able to hide the vast sums of wealth in tax havens across the globe.

The bottom-line is that the outrageous levels of wealth inequality in America have been driven in large part by our society's coddling of, and the media's willful ignorance towards, our nation's oligarchs.

For too long, the wealthiest Americans have been able to slip under the radar, while robbing us blind. The Reaganomics era has seen the largest transfer of wealth from working people to the very, very rich in the history of the world – trillions of dollars. As Elizabeth Warren pointed out a few weeks ago, if workers wages had kept up with productivity in the years since Reagan, like they did during the generations before Reagan, the minimum wage today would be over $22.

It's time to start calling our oligarchs what they are – oligarchs. And tax cheats. And people who have corrupted both our politicians, our media, and our market-based economic system.

When enough Americans have figured out how badly we've been gamed and ripped off, things will start to change. Spread the word. And check out www.nobillionaires.com!


http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/15319-that-giant-sucking-soundits-the-oligarchs
Also

http://fortune.com/2014/10/31/inequality-wealth-income-us/

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Krsto

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It doesn't always sound so bad to tax the filthy rich and use the $$ to help the poor.

But here's the thing (1 thing anyway)

we don't HAVE to tax ANYONE to get $$ for free college.

We just have to take $$ away from the DUMB, wasteful programs the gov already has and use that for free college... (which free education I frankly do not have a problem with, per se)


A D would never even think of such a plan...

No, with them it is Tax and Spend, Tax and Spend, Tax and spend....

geez... Life is a continual shopping spree for them, with YOUR money


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I'll bet we could pay for community colleges by cutting the military budget a whopping 2%, maybe only 1%. Of course Republicans will never think of that (so says the former GOP PCO). 600 military bases in 128 countries. For "self-defense" - seriously?
 

Alate_One

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Some think upper 1%, but that would include some with $300,000 incomes since there is even a huge income and wealth gap between lower end of upper 1% and the upper 0.1%. For example it's skewed by those making millions of dollars an hour. So "filthy rich" is subjective, but there is a lot of room to find a place to draw the line.

There are some now who are presenting the idea of eliminating the income tax and replacing it with a wealth tax. That would probably be a fairer system.
It's not just that. It's that money that makes money is taxed at a lower rate than people that actually work for their money. Capital gains and dividends vs. income tax

So the rich can get richer by investing, while working to "get ahead" doesn't work. The American dream is dead and it was killed by conservative policies over the last 50 years, well and globalization. ;)

We can do something about the former, if people stop voting for the politicians that keep the policies in place. Unfortunately too many people believe conservatism is good for them (and the country), despite evidence to the contrary.
 

Nick M

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500,000 a yr or more, I reckon...

So $499,999 is good to go. :banana:

See what happens when you make things up like your liberal friends? You get exposed as the fool you are. Obama can not raise taxes because the house will not pass it.

But he does want to tax college savings, thereby hurting lower income groups.
 

Nick M

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Under Obama, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. Directly because of his actions.
 

csuguy

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It doesn't always sound so bad to tax the filthy rich and use the $$ to help the poor.

But here's the thing (1 thing anyway)

we don't HAVE to tax ANYONE to get $$ for free college.

We just have to take $$ away from the DUMB, wasteful programs the gov already has and use that for free college... (which free education I frankly do not have a problem with, per se)


A D would never even think of such a plan...

No, with them it is Tax and Spend, Tax and Spend, Tax and spend....

geez... Life is a continual shopping spree for them, with YOUR money


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While everyone should be for making the government more efficient, that does not detract from the need for taxes in the first place. Taxes should primarily be the burden of the wealthy. They benefit from society the most, financially speaking, and should give the most back.
 

csuguy

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Why? You didn't list a legitimate reason. Do not be partial to the poor.

I did list a legitimate reason: the rich get the most out of society, in gross excess, and thus should put the most back into society. Their success is completely dependent upon society; without it - their money is worthless.

The poor, on the other hand, give far more to society than they get, generally speaking. They are the backbone of society that keeps everything turning - taking on all the menial labor that we are too 'good' for, with wages that barely keep them off the street.
 
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