The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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I can understand your feelings about the new information revealed in the UB concerning the size of the universe and the many creator Sons of God. There is even more incredible stuff revealed in the book. There are many similarly incredible things in the Bible but because we are born into the story of biblical history it's kind of normal for us, we don't see it as strange.
I don't knock the Word of God, the Son is The Word and the Word is living, not dead letters, the Bible says so. The authors of the Bible books never claimed their books were inspired. The priest class made that claim to control and derive ecclesiastical authority. We have to wait all the way until Timothy 2 (which the church converted into the word of God) before someone gives the opinion about the OT scripture as "inspired" and even then that doesn't mean perfect.
UB 1955:
"In the not-distant future, new telescopes will reveal to the wondering gaze of Urantian astronomers no less than 375 million new galaxies in the remote stretches of outer space. At the same time these more powerful telescopes will disclose that many island universes formerly believed to be in outer space are really a part of the galactic system of Orvonton. The seven superuniverses are still growing; the periphery of each is gradually expanding; new nebulae are constantly being stabilized and organized; and some of the nebulae which Urantian astronomers regard as extragalactic are actually on the fringe of Orvonton and are traveling along with us."
Right Divider
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Nonsense....
I changed your post in order for it to make more sense!
Letsargue
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I can understand your feelings about the new information revealed in the UB concerning the size of the universe and the many creator Sons of God. There is even more incredible stuff revealed in the book. There are many similarly incredible things in the Bible but because we are born into the story of biblical history it's kind of normal for us, we don't see it as strange.
I don't knock the Word of God, the Son is The Word and the Word is living, not dead letters, the Bible says so. The authors of the Bible books never claimed their books were inspired. The priest class made that claim to control and derive ecclesiastical authority. We have to wait all the way until Timothy 2 (which the church converted into the word of God) before someone gives the opinion about the OT scripture as "inspired" and even then that doesn't mean perfect.
UB 1955:
"In the not-distant future, new telescopes will reveal to the wondering gaze of Urantian astronomers no less than 375 million new galaxies in the remote stretches of outer space. At the same time these more powerful telescopes will disclose that many island universes formerly believed to be in outer space are really a part of the galactic system of Orvonton. The seven superuniverses are still growing; the periphery of each is gradually expanding; new nebulae are constantly being stabilized and organized; and some of the nebulae which Urantian astronomers regard as extragalactic are actually on the fringe of Orvonton and are traveling along with us."
If You'll Notice in the Picture of the Galaxies, -- ALL the Galaxies are Tilted in "Different Directions", - ALL of Them!!
Galaxies Rotate, or functions the same as a "Gyroscope". The Rotations in Different Directions ( "PROVE" ) That the Galaxies Are Traveling in (( ALL Different Directions )), Not just in an "Expanding Direction"!! - This also ((( Proves ))) that the Universe Is Not Expanding, but just traveling Around among Itself!!
If all the Galaxies were tilted and rotating in the Same direction, then they would be traveling in the Same Direction, BUT They Are NOT!!
Today's Scientists are as foolish as today's so-called "christians!!
Also! - The images of the Galaxies are nothing, or anywhere it appears they Are!!
Paul
That's ok, many other people do believe and will be more prepared for future discoveries.
Letsargue
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(((( HOW Is It (( "Possible" )) that You Continue to Troll AND Disrupt other people, and their Threads - ALL The TIME!!! )))), AND GET Away with IT?????
That's Impossible for Others!!! -- ((( Just WHO Are YOU )))????
You can't be one of US; - WE ALL get BANNED For the slightest thing that You DO!!!
See; - I can't EVEN Report your Trolling, or I'd get Banned for it, and Likely will Just for THIS, after looking at your Constant nonsense and Trolling and Disrupting here on ( THEIR ) Thread, NOT YOURS!!
Just How Anyone Can Put Up With It - Is Beyond ME!!!
And THANKS For "MORE" Of Your Neg. REPS GM!!!
((( Your Time -- IS Coming )))!! -- (((( WATCH THE NEWS!! ))))!!!
NO!! - One!!!!
The UB explains that the universe expands and contracts on 1 billion year cycles.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
gnosticism and astrology............
gnosticism and astrology............
Hi Zeke,
Nothing is hidden in the UB as far as its opinion about anything, so whatever it says about 'astrology' or 'gnosticism' is clearly stated.
Consideration of Some Criticisms of the UB
I still enjoy being a gnostic of sorts, and still open to explore various aspects of 'astrology' as well...because truth, knowledge, information is dynamic and relational,....no one book can contain a finality of revelation, any more than one can contain all of space in a glass jar.
The issue against Gnosticism is the UB's emphasis on 'faith' (rather than just 'gnosis') as the saving principle active in the soul uniting with the divine spirit within to effect a genuine salvation. It is by this 'faith' that we are spirit-born and made to realize our sonship with God, being made conscious of the kingdom of heaven.
The papers regard the more primitive forms of 'astrology' as just that, mostly superstition. It assumes earlier forms led the way into the science of astronomy (a valid science), but discounts the fortune-telling antics of astrology as having any effect on human conditions or destiny. We might note this does not necessarily discredit studies in 'astro-theology' since aspects of that study touch different points and correlations within various concept-frames outside of the context of 'horoscopes'. - noting this I don't see how this might be against astrology as a whole, unless we are defining such in the same way.
Jesus on astrology:
pj
gnosticism and astrology............
Hi Zeke,
Nothing is hidden in the UB as far as its opinion about anything, so whatever it says about 'astrology' or 'gnosticism' is clearly stated.
Consideration of Some Criticisms of the UB
I still enjoy being a gnostic of sorts, and still open to explore various aspects of 'astrology' as well...because truth, knowledge, information is dynamic and relational,....no one book can contain a finality of revelation, any more than one can contain all of space in a glass jar.
The issue against Gnosticism is the UB's emphasis on 'faith' (rather than just 'gnosis') as the saving principle active in the soul uniting with the divine spirit within to effect a genuine salvation. It is by this 'faith' that we are spirit-born and made to realize our sonship with God, being made conscious of the kingdom of heaven.
The papers regard the more primitive forms of 'astrology' as just that, mostly superstition. It assumes earlier forms led the way into the science of astronomy (a valid science), but discounts the fortune-telling antics of astrology as having any effect on human conditions or destiny. We might note this does not necessarily discredit studies in 'astro-theology' since aspects of that study touch different points and correlations within various concept-frames outside of the context of 'horoscopes'. - noting this I don't see how this might be against astrology as a whole, unless we are defining such in the same way.
Jesus on astrology:
pj
Letsargue
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A Billion years wouldn't be a "1,000,000,000,000.000th" of light travel through the Universe!!
Then, does that not say that "Nothing" enters into "everything" and something enters into "NOTHING"? - There can't be anything beyond the Universe. There is on "Place" outside of the Universe for anything to Go TO, or expand ( "TO" ) or to come in ( "FROM" ).
Laws are Laws - BY LAW, / GOD.
If a house is not there, YOU Cannot go into the House, neither can the House protect you from the weather, ( If it ain't there ). There is nothing outside of the Universe, Neither can there be an Outside of the Universe, ( The phrase can't even be stated - "Outside" of the Universe. ) -- That's like saying the Cow actually did jumped over the Moon. No Law!!
Paul - 121014
Letsargue
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NOOO! - I think We All Have the right to our own Belief, and No one has the right to try to prevent it, but maybe try it prove one "WAY" or the other.
Paul
Paper 11
The Eternal Isle of Paradise
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-11-eternal-isle-paradise
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
rebirth............
rebirth............
Reincarnation (rebirth) as defined in eastern, western classical or new-age terms is NOT taught in the UB. Souls are generally incarnated once, then progress along after physical death in the 'mansion-worlds', transitioning in the morontial realms until the soul reaches or attains 'spirit-status'. A deeper study into 'rebirth' of aspects of 'soul' or 'spirit' in an individual is complex, and some theories could be supplied that might explain past-life recall, and souls somehow tapping into or assuming the memories of other souls. I used to have my own thread on Reincarnation covering all the various theories, but have assumed presiding over our current thread here (will be adding more soon, as we're covering views on 'rebirth' from different religious schools).
See:
Some thoughts on reincarnation
Don't you believe in reincarnation?
So, while on the face of it and literally, the UB discounts reincarnation of souls, there may be some loopholes or other possibilities how a kind of 'rebirth' of a soul might take place, whether it can 're-personalize' in some way in a material form. This takes a more extensive research into the metaphysics involved in such transformations. The key note here is that no matter how many 'bodies' a soul assumes (or trans-formations), it is still progressing along according to the laws that govern soul-progress, development and destiny. - this inquiry is more about the 'mechanics' of it.
pj
rebirth............
Reincarnation (rebirth) as defined in eastern, western classical or new-age terms is NOT taught in the UB. Souls are generally incarnated once, then progress along after physical death in the 'mansion-worlds', transitioning in the morontial realms until the soul reaches or attains 'spirit-status'. A deeper study into 'rebirth' of aspects of 'soul' or 'spirit' in an individual is complex, and some theories could be supplied that might explain past-life recall, and souls somehow tapping into or assuming the memories of other souls. I used to have my own thread on Reincarnation covering all the various theories, but have assumed presiding over our current thread here (will be adding more soon, as we're covering views on 'rebirth' from different religious schools).
See:
Some thoughts on reincarnation
Don't you believe in reincarnation?
So, while on the face of it and literally, the UB discounts reincarnation of souls, there may be some loopholes or other possibilities how a kind of 'rebirth' of a soul might take place, whether it can 're-personalize' in some way in a material form. This takes a more extensive research into the metaphysics involved in such transformations. The key note here is that no matter how many 'bodies' a soul assumes (or trans-formations), it is still progressing along according to the laws that govern soul-progress, development and destiny. - this inquiry is more about the 'mechanics' of it.
pj
Letsargue
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A "Billion Years" of Light Travel is Nothing to the Universe, with the New Scopes, we can see only 25,000,000,000 light Years, and that sure is not the END OF GOD.
Anyhow - this has no real Saving Stuff of Christ, it's Just FUN to think about!!
INJOY!!
Paul -- 121014
Letsargue
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Caino; - all I see is "Carnal Descriptions" of SPIRIT??
I take it that you are sort of referring to some Number of Universes.
I Hope not.
There are those who say there are 2, or 5, or an Infinite number of Universes. That means that God is anything but ONE!! - One in the SAME GOD!!
Paul -- 121014
Zeke
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This is the quote, On every count, the doctrines of Urantia are a refutation of the Gnostic teaching, plus it disowns .............all things astrological.
Doesn't seem like it was really approaching either with much concern for the diverse teachings found in both.
Anyway each to their own.
Any particular channel? Would "Comedy Central" do?
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