So you believe Jesus chose a devil in His ministry?
Believing has two stages, Judas flunked the second stage as you likely have/will.
There are two rivers to cross to be saved.
LA
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So you believe Jesus chose a devil in His ministry?
Believing has two stages, Judas flunked the second stage as you likely have/will.
There are two rivers to cross to be saved.
LA
James 2:19 ► "Even the demons believe—and shudder!"
One most good thing about RCC is that they don't spread lies of "OSAS" or "your works cannot save you or will not save you."
musterion
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You should convert. You'd fit right in. All the works you love to do to make yourself acceptable to God, they do too, and then some. Let them baptize you and they won't care that you reject the trinity. And you'll get a cookie.
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What does the scripture say that JESUS said?
Joh 6:70-71 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? (71) He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
The "have not I chosen" is a rhetorical question meaning "I HAVE CHOSEN". And YET Jesus says that ONE of you is A DEVIL. I guess that you have some proof that Jesus was wrong here?
No, Judas flunked the "actually having faith" part, which is a ONE step process.
This "two stage" nonsense is yet another one of your strange and bogus theories. Please expound upon this TWO stage salvation. We'd all love to know about it.
glorydaz
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There are not two "stages" or rivers to cross, LA. There is belief with the brain....like the demons have, and there is believing with the heart wherein trust is found. This is something even the ungodly have recognized. Judas did not believe unto righteousness as those who obey the Gospel have done....those true believers who are saved and born of the Spirit.
Romans 10:9-10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
LA doesn't even understand what he says!
glorydaz
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Exactly....believing in the heart (faith).
I think that "two stage" nonsense is part of our Lord Jesus Christ being a "revolving door" that we see preached around here. :nono:
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Yes, I knew that one of the ignorant pretenders on this forum would bring that one up.
Why don't you quote the WHOLE VERSE? Your HALF truth is a LIE.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
So WHAT is it that these devils believe? THAT THERE IS ONE GOD. That does not qualify anyone for salvation, as it is NOT FAITH IN THAT ONE GOD.
Go back to your lame RCC doctrine and enjoy yourself.
P.S. Super great example of the 'dictionary theology' that so many people use when they approach the Bible. A words meaning is ALWAYS based on the context in which it is USED.
IMJerusha
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Still putting the blame on Yeshua for your sin?
IMJerusha
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I suppose if you want to say that Yeshua is a crap slinger, you are within your right. Personally I think that's a bit over the top for someone who supposedly loves Him.
glorydaz
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I know this may be hard for you to believe, but YOU are not Yeshua by any stretch of the imagination. Go back to school and the schoolmaster....you have many things to learn (including how to read). :chuckle:
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Does the Ruach lead you to say dumb stuff like that?
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IMJerusha
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Just because someone is not clean, it doesn't mean they are not a believer. Judas was a believer right up to the point where HaSatan entered him and he certainly wasn't a Gentile as your comment regarding Israel being the Vine implies. Yeshua stated He is the Vine, not Israel. If He meant that Israel was the Vine, He would have stated so. Keep warping Scripture to suit yourself and your doctrine.
IMJerusha
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The Rauch? I don't know or acknowledge that spirit. Why do you?
Thats is a totally dishonest thing to say. You need to take that back.
Me and her totally disagree on many things, but I know the difference between honest disagreement and lies. She's not a liar.
If you can't discuss things civilly then go get a life.
IMJerusha
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When I post Yeshua's Words and you deny them to His face (as I believe He is right here) in favor of your doctrine then it is you who has a problem and that problem is that you have no fear of God. The beginning of knowledge starts with fear of God. You have criticized me for having fear and love and honor of God. Who is the one who needs to go back to school?
glorydaz
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Yep, I knew you'd dig a deeper hole for yourself. Stop preaching and get saved.
glorydaz
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It's her PRIDE that keeps her from knowing what Truth is....such a shame because the Gospel has been preached to her for quite some time, and still she rejects it. :nono:
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