If I knew your profession maybe I could say something positive about you. I but I know nothing of that.
Creation vs. Evolution
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We long ago admitted you are a nice guy, and in keeping with that image I can understand why you want to say something nice about me. But I am far more interested in how an avowed newly graduated engineer can completely misunderstand multiple explanations that should be understandable to an average junior high student. I don’t discuss radiological dating with the trees in front of my house, but given the choice of you or the trees, I unhesitatingly think the latter are the more likely to show they do actually understand. (Now that I have introduced trees in to the discussion, I’ll let you cogitate on how trees fit into radiological dating).
And just for kicks, if you live in the Puyallup, Graham, Edgewood, Milton, Enumclaw, Kent, or Auburn areas, then you should know that you may be living in the danger zone of the most dangerous volcano in the continental US.
6days
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I don't know either because Gods Word doesn't say...so it really doesn't matter. Why do you ask?
Perhaps we could assume it was a short time period since Cain and Abel were likely relatively young when Abel was killed.
And it is not Mount Saint Helens, though in the same state.
How does radiological dating relate to trees?
There is much that can be discussed about the garden of eden and the fall of mankind (when Eve and Adam sinned).
I don't know that there were any apples in the garden of eden mentioned in the scriptures.
noguru
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Oh, I see. So as long as you tack on the label "Christian" to your claims then your opinions automatically have credibility? Do you think that is a good scientific argument. I mean that you don't actually have to understand any of these details for yourself, all you need to do us say "I believe in God" and
ABRACADABRA!
you now have understanding?
That's very convenient.
6days
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Good answer.
We know that in the ancient manuscripts there are some copying errors, but there are none that would change any doctrine.*
Are you familiar with the booklet called 'More Than a Carpenter'? I think its a must read. An atheist set out to prove the Bible had errors...but surprise, *surprise...He meets Jesus on his 'Damascus' road. The book simply shows / explains how the internal and external evidences convinced him ( the author) that that our Bibles contain God's Word.*
(If you cant find the book, I could send you one)
I don't know what you are talking about here.
I know you claim you are a Christian and I know you are disagreeing with me when I talk about God's word.
6days
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Good answer.
We know that in the ancient manuscripts there are some copying errors, but there are none that would change any doctrine. Also translations might give slightly different take on things.
Are you familiar with the booklet called 'More Than a Carpenter'? I think its a must read. An atheist set out to prove the Bible had errors...but surprise, *surprise...He meets Jesus on his 'Damascus' road. The book simply shows / explains how the internal and external evidences convinced him ( the author) that that our Bibles contain God's Word.*
(If you cant find the book, I could send you one)
I read the book many many years ago. Thanks!
noguru
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Yes, I understand the next deceptive tool in your emotional toolbox. It's called plausible deniability.
"I don't know what you are talking about."
Just another convenient attempt at deception.
Sorry, have to get back to this later. I have a pet housefly that stays with me here under the Seattle viaduct, and his toe nails are getting entirely too long. I can’t find his (or her – I don’t know which) toenail clippers, so I have to fly to Japan where I bought him (her) to get some new ones. Later.
OK, I am back from Japan. I managed to fly standby on the new 600-passenger sub-orbital SST that just started service to the Tokyo Tower. Neat (and really really fast).
Anyway, I have been doing a little reading in the Bible, as you recommended. Found some really neat stuff. I remember in Cecil B. DeMille’s movie of the Ten Commandments that it showed the newly freed Hebrews walking out of Egyptian captivity. That isn't what happened at all. In Exodus God says very clearly that “Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.” (Exodus 19:4, KJV). Boy, I’ll bet flying on eagles, just like Frodo did, was neater than my SST flight.
(My housefly is a bit miffed at me, he (yes it’s a he – I won’t tell you how I found that out) didn't want his toenails cut. First Cadry, and now my housefly – I am not doing such a bang-up job of keeping friends lately).
First off, I am personally curious as to the way your visitation from angels played out.
Was the visitation an auditory mystical experience like Paul and Luke describe that happened to Paul? Or was it a visual mystical experience, like the scant accounts of Jesus after the crucifixion?
The conflict between science and conservative religion is a real one. Even the fundamentalists on the Muslim side have the same stance.
The trouble as I see it is that now that atheists, non-believers, former believers, Christian mystics, humanists, those who claim to be "spiritual--not religious" have some important objections to the "Shari'a Law" aspect of both Christianity and Islam.
I think we need a new theology. The old theology is made up of dogmatic phrases and ancient faith formulations from the Old Testament times to the New Testament. Instead of claiming membership in the church by way of being able to give one's assent to a list of improbable beliefs, I think today's believers need to focus more on Jesus. This might help move us from a faith based on "right belief" to a faith based on "right practice."
This, in my view, would be based on getting familiar with what Jesus called "the Kingdom of God." Christianity should be all about a relationship with Jesus. And this is the Jesus who said:
--the Father makes his sun to shine on both the good AND the evil and sends his rain to fall on both the righteous and the unrighteous.
--"Love your enemies." This is part of what Jesus meant when he said to Pilate "My followers are not of this world."
--Give to others without thought of being recompensated.
--"Who made ME a judge?"
--"You cannot serve both God and "mammon" (mammon meaning money and riches).
--God is identified with the lost, the misshapen, the imprisoned, the poor and the unclean (Careful readers of Jesus' parables will note that "leaven" or yeast is always defined as "unclean" or "corruption."
--Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan talks about a a member of a group of Jews that according to them were illegitament, unclean and basically "inhuman." Yet it is the Samaritan who ministers to the beaten man on the road to Jericho. In other words, God sometimes works through the "unclean."
--His parable of the party's host that is forced to call in the poor, the homeless and the "unclean" to attend his party is also a good example of the God of Jesus identifying with those the rest of us regard as "trash."
...and there are many, many more examples of the universality of God's love and care in the message and actions of Jesus.
Jesus would NEVER have been identified as "Savior of the World," "Lord," "Master," "Son of God" if he acted like a normal human being with the all-too-human sins like violence, selfishness, judgement, and other petty characteristics.
Truly, he was the Messiah. He was not a substitute Caesar.
alwight
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If you are not for science then perhaps you must be against it?
6days
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What he is against is psuedoscience / evolutionism.
alwight
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Evolution happens, face it, AiG , the DI and ICR say so.
"...none that would change any doctrine." ?
REALLY?
ANY doctrine?
A simple run-through on any of the threads on this site tell me that people have competing doctrines and each individual take is supposedly "proven" by Scripture!
6days
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Observable science isn't a problem. What is a problem is the psuedoscience beliefs involved with evolutionism.Evolution happens, face it, AiG , the DI and ICR say so.
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