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    Quote Originally Posted by fool
    I'm quite sure I've lost track of the conversation here. We were talking about pagan-Jesus-crossoverism? There was some egyption godess that got immaculatly impregnated with a god child.
    Had wise men at the event.
    Jesus had 12 deciples, there is 12 months in the year.
    The sun dies, and is reborn on the winter solstice, same as J.C.
    Diane? Dianysys? Some greek god had a big thing with turning water into wine.
    There are a lot of similarities between the Jesus story and various myths of the time ... the problem is deciding if they are merely similarities, or if the story "borged" the myths. The big problem is that such a conclusion is difficult to prove even skeptically, and impossible to prove to a believer's satisfaction.

    It must also be remembered that a lot of the so-called "similarities" are fraudulent--for example, the "Crucified Osiris" that is sometimes cited on skeptical websites was an outright forgery.

    With problems like that in the field, I think it's fairly useless to debate "Pagan Christs," or any such things. The field is just too contaminated, and no one will come to enough of a consensus to do anything but turn the affair into a shouting match where nothing gets resolved, and no one learns anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimfan
    oh: D'oh! I could have writtena similiar explanation if I'd checked this thread out earlier.

    Ah well. Great Post! I'd give ya rep points for it but I have to spread some around first.
    Thankee kindly, oh Spork-man!
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    Wait a sec, twelve apostles, twelve bottles of beer in a case...eureka! The drinking of beer by the case has biblical origins. I'm gonna break open a case of Warsteiner on Sunday! Slaintè!
    The S.P. is gone forever.

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    Of course, we could trace it further back to the twelve months of the Julian calender making the drinking of beer by the case pagan. NOOOOOOO!!!! I don't wanna believe it...so I don't. Just a coincidence unlike the earlier correlation between the number of apostles and the number of beers in a case. Ain't self-delusion grand? Yeah, that's the ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimfan
    Wait a sec, twelve apostles, twelve bottles of beer in a case...eureka! The drinking of beer by the case has biblical origins. I'm gonna break open a case of Warsteiner on Sunday! Slaintè!
    Uh.... Zim?
    there's 24 beers in a case around my place,
    your reality may, of course, vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool
    Uh.... Zim?
    there's 24 beers in a case around my place,
    your reality may, of course, vary.
    Not all cases. I can only ever find cases of twelve when I buy Warsteiner or Bass.

    From a British website that sells beer:

    Thwaites
    ‘Daniel’s Hammer’
    A strong beer pale golden in colour and with a distinctively malty taste 0.5 litre bottle x 12 / case
    5.2% abv.

    Thwaites ‘Thoroughbred'’

    Unmistakable hopped aroma enriched by the addition of dry hops to give intense flavour and aroma. 0.5 litre bottle x 12 / case
    4.0% abv.
    The S.P. is gone forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin (Wiccan)

    No, I think the closest it gets to what you're talking about is Zoroastrianism, or the Christian heresy of Manicheism. When Satan was adopted by Judaism (and thence by Christianity) from Zoroastrianism, he really got weakened, and is no longer even remotely equivalent to God.
    Quote Originally Posted by allsmiles
    thanks for the lesson, i hope other people read this.

    as a christian, how and when were you made aware of the tranference of satan from zoroastrianism to judaism and consequently to christianity, and how do you think a christian would be able to explain the apparent and historical progression?
    Note how readily allsmiles accepts Justin's bald assertion as truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo
    Note how readily allsmiles accepts Justin's bald assertion as truth.
    Maybe Justin has cast a spell over him.
    (cue spooky music)
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