musterion
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What does Islam provide to forever cleanse your conscience from sin?
İ'm a 18 year old know-it-all Muslim. Ask me anything!
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What does Islam provide to forever cleanse your conscience from sin?
Thank you, WizardofOz!
True, Christianity's got a few centuries on you guys. I don't know if that excuses the behavior often seen in the Muslim world. Whether you like it or not, this is the 21st century.
How do you propose Muslims get with the program?
Huckleberry
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Commendable.
Which is it? Unless you're suggesting there is dispute over her age, which according to her was nine years old, without there being any dispute over a nine year old being sexually mature. How many nine year olds have you ever heard of being sexually mature? :liberals:
So you don't know how old Rebecca was? Me either, since scripture doesn't say.
Islam fortunately doesn't provide a license to sin. All we have to do to purify ourselves of sin is to repent sincerely to God.
My Lord, The most Forgiving, listen to me. I accept that I am a wrongdoer and that I have sinned. Please forgive me of them and Help me overcome them. Grant me ease in paying back to all those whom I have wronged. Remind me to continuously repent to you! Accept my repentance!
That's all. You don't need to even move your lips.
You do know that the Koran doesn't go into any great detail of the Prophet's life or his wives or his companions. God's word is straightforward and easy to understand and does not digress into unnecessary detail at all. (unfortunately I always tire myself in my daily bible reading)
Ahadith or traditions are not from the Koran. That is - it is not considered scripture or infallible.
From tradition we know both ages to a degree of accuracy.
Ignore them like they do the Bible blasphemies. Unless it disturbs society .
Sure, it's just that easy; tell violent, murderous fanatics to just "ignore" what's most precious to them. How do you think they'd treat a guy like you given half a chance?
Huckleberry
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Then hear the Good News! Jesus the Christ took your sins to the cross. If you truly are repentant, then accept Him and you will be freed from the law. Including the necessity to exist in a constant state of perfect repentance in order to avoid damnation. Which, I hate to tell you, still isn't good enough.
musterion
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That can't forever cleanse one's conscience.
Huckleberry
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So what reason do we have to doubt the "greatest female scholar of all Islam", who said she was nine years old when Mohammed consummated their marriage? And you still haven't explained how we can accept your claim that she was sexually mature at nine years old.
musterion
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By the way, I caught your sly little implication that Christianity is license to sin. If you truly were as smart as you say you are, and were the free thinker you think you are, you would have done enough research to know that, according to the Bible, that is not true.
Yes but whatever said all scripture has to be interpreted. I see this task as a test for the scholar. After all life is a test at all fronts - a test of faith. That being said God does warn against misinterpretation of the mutashabihat verses or the verses that are deliberately ambiguous.
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding. (3:7)
God does promise to make the seed of Ishmael into a great nation after leaving them to go astray for sometime. We believe that the Early Church (aka St Paul) corrupted the teachings of Jesus so much so that the Jews are forgiven for not accepting the Jesus of the Church. We believe that Jesus was a Messenger sent only for the Children of Israel and that God continued His Covenant with the nation of Israel until they broke them numerous times and killed Prophets and what not. Yet still the Koran promises the creation of an End Times Israel and the fulfillment of all the prophecies of the Torah. But an important feature is that Muhammad, an Arab Prophet descending from Ishmael, was not only for the Arabs but also for Israel and to the res of mankind. When we read the OT we get the sense that the entire story of God is solely for the Children of Israel and not to the Gentiles. Muslims believe that while the Torah is the Scripture for Israel God did send numerous other scriptures for the gentiles (in Hindustan and throughout the globe).
It is simply a matter of accepting that for once God has send down a single Prophet for all nations. The Koran encourages Muslims to show this fact to the Christians and the Jews and if they deny this then to at least, the bare minimum, call them towards complete monotheism.
Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to God's Will). (3:64)
If they do this bare minimum they would be forgiven by God, if God wills
Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians – whosoever believed in God and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (5:69)
Freed from the law? That's blasphemy! That's what Satan wants us to do!
I do know the gospels in and out. I do know what the good news is. What is unacceptable is that it comes with bad news. The concept of original sin is blasphemous and unacceptable. The concept of a lamb of sacrifice to cleanse sins is also blasphemous. You must understand it makes no sense to a Muslim or to a Jew today. God does not need blood to be spilled to forgive! God only needs a repenting heart. :jump::jump:
Yes - I read the Koran in Arabic and I understand most of what its saying. Muslims read the Koran in its original language.
Do you think you know his religion better than he does? Because you guys pull that stunt with Jews all. The. Time.
Sucks to be you. :loser:
