Yep! I should have said more but, I was afraid he'd start weeping
and convulsing! And, that would be embarrassing, to say the least!
The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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Yep! I should have said more but, I was afraid he'd start weeping
and convulsing! And, that would be embarrassing, to say the least!
I hate to embarrass you but, I don't read ANY of your links! I don't
really care what they allow and don't allow on other forums! If GM
is annoying you that much, why not report me? I hope what I just
said, isn't that tedious? Sounds like you're about to have some kind
of nervous breakdown? Are you okay? Tedium sometimes causes
that, side effect!!
I didn't think my bigotry, pertaining to cultists, was that subtle? In fact,
I thought it was pretty clear!
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Learning................
Learning................
That's why your 'ignorant' of the subject, and prefer to troll the thread, instead of use the space here for what its intended for (discussion/dialogue). Being willfully ignorant, you retard your own progress and knowledge in the process. That's whats truly embarrassing (as self-sabotaging and defeating). The wonderful thing is you can make choices for yourself, not against yourself, if you take the opportunity.
pj
Learning................
That's why your 'ignorant' of the subject, and prefer to troll the thread, instead of use the space here for what its intended for (discussion/dialogue). Being willfully ignorant, you retard your own progress and knowledge in the process. That's whats truly embarrassing (as self-sabotaging and defeating). The wonderful thing is you can make choices for yourself, not against yourself, if you take the opportunity.
pj
I'd rather take the opportunity to disregard your 'cultist views!'
freelight
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Michael/Jesus connection.......
Michael/Jesus connection.......
The UB teaches that the Creator Sons are also known as being of the Order of Michael,...and that each Creator Son can be called a 'Michael'(individually), which is why another title for Jesus is 'Christ-Michael'. Later confusions arose with the assumption of there existing an 'archange'l by the name of Michael, but Jesus does not belong to the order of 'archangels'. So the name 'Michael' was misapplied in some respects, but may in fact refer to 'Jesus' in some of the biblical accounts. We've gone over this here, but could be further researched.
More here.
Also: Michael of Nebadon
pj
Michael/Jesus connection.......
The UB teaches that the Creator Sons are also known as being of the Order of Michael,...and that each Creator Son can be called a 'Michael'(individually), which is why another title for Jesus is 'Christ-Michael'. Later confusions arose with the assumption of there existing an 'archange'l by the name of Michael, but Jesus does not belong to the order of 'archangels'. So the name 'Michael' was misapplied in some respects, but may in fact refer to 'Jesus' in some of the biblical accounts. We've gone over this here, but could be further researched.
More here.
Also: Michael of Nebadon
pj
freelight
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Arent you a gem
Arent you a gem
And I'll take mine to put you back on ignore, probably something many feel I ought to have done earlier. However, for the sake of the general readership, we'll take the higher good derived therefrom
Be well,
:wave:
pj
Arent you a gem
And I'll take mine to put you back on ignore, probably something many feel I ought to have done earlier. However, for the sake of the general readership, we'll take the higher good derived therefrom
Be well,
:wave:
pj
journey
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The urantia book is FICTION JUNK that should never be compared to the Holy Bible.
journey
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And I'll take mine to put you back on ignore, probably something many feel I ought to have done earlier. However, for the sake of the general readership, we'll take the higher good derived therefrom
Be well,
:wave:
pj
I also believe that the urantia folks are a false cult, but I also consider them to be a con game because of the theft of ideas from the Holy Bible. It's disgusting to watch anyone try to sell the urantia book as anything other than FICTION. Maybe you ought to put me on your ignore list also.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
recognizing truth wherever it is shared.......
recognizing truth wherever it is shared.......
Concerning truth -
Remember,....if you would properly judge a writing, you would do well to first study it, or else your 'judgment' is insufficient, inept or biased, or a blend thereof. Concerning what is 'true', this comes by an inner recognition, intuitive sense, spiritual flavor or impression, and is further confirmed thru experience, or 'living' that truth.
The kingdom of heaven
pj
recognizing truth wherever it is shared.......
Concerning truth -
Remember,....if you would properly judge a writing, you would do well to first study it, or else your 'judgment' is insufficient, inept or biased, or a blend thereof. Concerning what is 'true', this comes by an inner recognition, intuitive sense, spiritual flavor or impression, and is further confirmed thru experience, or 'living' that truth.
The kingdom of heaven
pj
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Asking me to study the urantia book is like asking me to study a book on physics authored by Elmer Fudd and Daffy Duck.
freelight
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Culture Club..........
Culture Club..........
See:
Urantia cult?
Is the UB a cult?
As far as getting ideas or expanding from previously existing religious writings, many writers do such, expanding and enlargening religious thought, concepts and ideals,...this is further proved by 'progressive revelation'. The Bible doesn't have a monopoly on religious truths, principles, ideas,...and has its share of 'borrowing' concepts from other cultures, traditions, mythologies. Welcome to the cross-culturing of humanity.
The 'disgust' is yours alone, due to some psychological dysfunction or antagonism you have manifesting as a 'reaction' to your preconceived or misconceived belief and judgment, targeting this particular work. Perhaps you ought to look deeper into where the 'disgust' is coming from and why.
Also while you're at it,...prove your claim that any part or all of the UB is 'fiction', then also.... see if you can prove that any part of the Bible is not fiction.
Since you haven't read the UB, or at least a significant portion of the essential papers to know its basic philosophy/cosmology/theology, you don't know what you're talking about, neither are you here to discuss the contents, which is the purpose of the thread.
Then you're wasting your time and ours. Per forum rules, its recommended that you leave and find a thread or subject that you are interested in with the purpose of having an actual dialogue.
pj
Culture Club..........
See:
Urantia cult?
Is the UB a cult?
As far as getting ideas or expanding from previously existing religious writings, many writers do such, expanding and enlargening religious thought, concepts and ideals,...this is further proved by 'progressive revelation'. The Bible doesn't have a monopoly on religious truths, principles, ideas,...and has its share of 'borrowing' concepts from other cultures, traditions, mythologies. Welcome to the cross-culturing of humanity.
The 'disgust' is yours alone, due to some psychological dysfunction or antagonism you have manifesting as a 'reaction' to your preconceived or misconceived belief and judgment, targeting this particular work. Perhaps you ought to look deeper into where the 'disgust' is coming from and why.
Also while you're at it,...prove your claim that any part or all of the UB is 'fiction', then also.... see if you can prove that any part of the Bible is not fiction.
Since you haven't read the UB, or at least a significant portion of the essential papers to know its basic philosophy/cosmology/theology, you don't know what you're talking about, neither are you here to discuss the contents, which is the purpose of the thread.
Then you're wasting your time and ours. Per forum rules, its recommended that you leave and find a thread or subject that you are interested in with the purpose of having an actual dialogue.
pj
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Have you suddenly become the "TOL bouncer?" I really think you're
being somewhat presumptuous, and pretentious! YOU don't enforce
the rules around these parts! You may, think you do however, just
as your cultist beliefs are deranged and, not of the truth, so is your
delusion of control and superiority over others! Try and control
yourself, Freelight!
And I'll take mine to put you back on ignore, probably something many feel I ought to have done earlier. However, for the sake of the general readership, we'll take the higher good derived therefrom
Be well,
:wave:
pj
Are you referring to your 'little green men' in their, late model UFOs?
Happy to see that, one of the, 'voices of delusion' has yet to return! That
being, Caino!!
being, Caino!!
Freelight, you ought to attempt to return
to the land of the sane! That, would be
my best advise for you, and your ilk!
to the land of the sane! That, would be
my best advise for you, and your ilk!
God's Truth
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We cannot pick apart the Holy Scriptures. We cannot say this is true, and this is not true. Who are you to say which is true and which is not true? If you would believe and obey everything that Jesus says, you would be given understanding.
John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."
God brought His Son through the Jews. The old law with the works of circumcision, the dietary laws, special days, various external washings, and the sacrifice of animals were all a shadow of Jesus. They were all teaching tools. You rewrite the truth for a fictional Jesus.
God inspired the one that loves Him. Without this inspiration, he wouldn't love Him. That verse didn't say how the believer believed. Reread it in the light of this and that verse changes everything the arminians ever believed. God keeps His promises so He'll find a way to inspire the unrengenerate to become regenerated. But God inspiring the Elects happened, 5 trillion+ years ago so He can be sure His promises will be kept.
In other words, God's promises WILL be kept and will always stand.
God's Truth
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I am not arminian.
You have been misled to believe falseness about God's word.
Read what I have to say, and speak according to what I write. Do not read what I post and then merely repeat what your teachers have taught you.
Read what I write here and try to show me where I am wrong.
God does not say unbelievers by making them believe against their will. God does not make people believe without their wanting or knowing.
Show one scripture that says God saves people without their wanting.
Faith is from God, from reading His powerful message, the Bible, the New Testament. It has the powerful message that saves. We do not get faith supernaturally, as many teach, but we get faith in a very human way, from reading the supernatural message!
Where does our faith come from? Our faith comes from HEARING the word, see Romans 10:17. From hearing the word and being TAUGHT, Colossians 1:5, 7. From continuing in what we have been CONVINCED of, see 2 Timothy 3:14, and being PERSUADED, 2 Corinthians 5:11. In Acts 26:17 Jesus tells Paul he is sending him to the Jews and Gentiles to OPEN THEIR EYES and turn them from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God. How do you think Paul is going to open the eyes of the Jews and the Gentiles? Remember, faith comes from hearing the word, and Jesus sent Paul to preach the gospel. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel–not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Paul is going to open their eyes by preaching to them.
Read what Paul says in Romans 16:25-27. Now to him who is able to ESTABLISH YOU BY MY GOSPEL AND THE PROCLAMATION OF JESUS CHRIST, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and MADE KNOWN THROUGH THE PROPHETIC WRITINGS by the command of the eternal God, SO THAT ALL NATIONS MIGHT BELIEVE AND OBEY HIM–to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.
Paul says that God made the prophetic writings known so that all nations might believe and obey. So again, the word of God tells us that faith comes from hearing. Here are more scriptures that explain how we have to HEAR the message that saves: Acts 8:31: 10:14; 11:14; 16:31; John 9:36; Ephesians 1:13; 4:21; Titus 1:3; Colossians 1:5; 1:23.
We have been JUSTIFIED THROUGH FAITH. Through Jesus, we have GAINED ACCESS TO GRACE BY FAITH, see Romans 5:1, 2. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe, see Romans 3:22. Through faith we have been justified, and we are credited with righteousness for believing. Romans 4:20-24 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness---for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.
See 1 Thessalonians 1:3, We continually remember before our God and Father YOUR WORK PRODUCED FAITH, your labor prompted by love, and your endurance inspired by hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Believers TEACH FAITH to their children and this passes down to the children of their children. 2 Timothy 1:5 I have been reminded of your sincere faith which first lived in your grandmother Lois and in your mother Eunice and, I am persuaded, now lives in you also.
Deuteronomy 6:1 These are the commands, decrees and laws the LORD your God directed me to TEACH you…
6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.
For everything that was written in the past was WRITTEN TO TEACH us, so that THROUGH THE ENDURANCE TAUGHT IN THE SCRIPTURES and the ENCOURAGEMENT THEY PROVIDE we might have HOPE. See Romans 15:4, 5.
John 20:30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are WRITTEN that you may BELIEVE that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by BELIEVING you may have life in his name.
We did not come to know Christ while we were indulging in impurity. The change in our lifestyle shows that...we came to know Christ when we HEARD of him and were TAUGHT, with regard to our former way of life, to put off our old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of our minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. See Ephesians 4:18-24.
But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, IF we HOLD ON TO OUR COURAGE and the HOPE of which we boast. Hebrews 3:6.
So then, brothers and sisters, STAND FIRM and HOLD FAST to the TEACHINGS we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter. See 2 Thessalonians 2:15-17.
Paul warns and encourages us in Hebrews 3:6, 2 Thessalonians, and Colossians 1:23 to continue in our faith, to make it established and firm… God does not force us to love and want him!
We have hope because of Jesus’ words--telling us we are no longer excluded Gentiles, no longer excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, no longer are we without HOPE and without God in the world, see Ephesians 2:12.
See Titus 1:2; and, 3:7. We have HOPE of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time.
We long for an immortal physical body, we desire, we hope for the redemption of our bodies. For in this HOPE we turn to God and are saved. See Romans 8:23-25.
Through Jesus, we believe in God, because God raised Jesus from the dead and glorified him--So our FAITH and HOPE are in God. Read 1 Peter 1:21. We too want eternal life.
We DRAW near to God because of a better HOPE given us than that of the law; we hope in the perfection we receive through Jesus. See Hebrews 7:18, 19.
Now FAITH is CONFIDENCE in what we HOPE for and assurance about what we do not see. Read Hebrews 11:1.
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