ECT the Sixth Hour in John 19:14.

Arsenios

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So let's set a time line in western days and hours...

Thursday night: Christ and His disciples go to the Garden in Gesthemany to pray, after sunset, say 9PM to Midnight...

The arresting party of the Jews come at midnight and arrest Jesus, and interrogate Him roughly and disrespectfully, and finally get Him to say something incriminating of Himself, and then decide to hand Him over to Pilate for execution... Pilate convenes his court at sunrise the first hour, 6AM, and takes some three hours till the third hour, 9AM, to decide to crucify Christ, after which Christ is entered into His crucifixion, in which He is prepared, the sign is drawn up naming his crime, He is scourged, and given the task of taking up His Cross and carrying it to Golgotha.

This takes us up till about Noon, when He is lifted up on the cross, and the sky is darkened at the sight from Noon, 6th hour, till 3PM, the 9th hour, when He dies.

After 3PM, he is taken down and buried and sealed in the tomb in grave wrappings prior to sunset, 6PM, which begins the Sabbath High Day that year...

So it this accounting is right, then we are using "crucified" in two connected senses, for the crucifixion began after the judgement by Pilate at around 9AM, but the actual lifting up of Christ on the Cross did not occur until about Noon... Such that one author can say He was crucified at 9AM, and another that the sun ceased giving its light at Noon, and both are referring to the same thing... The gallows, as it were, needed preparation, as did the Condemned... This preparation is all a part of the Crucifixion...

Arsenios
 

0scar

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arrest Jesus, and interrogate Him roughly and disrespectfully, and finally get Him to say something incriminating of Himself, and then decide to hand Him over to Pilate for execution...

this ocurres during the morning, way after 6am
 

0scar

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Pilate convenes his court at sunrise the first hour, 6AM, and takes some three hours till the third hour, 9AM, to decide to crucify Christ, after which Christ is entered into His crucifixion, in which He is prepared, the sign is drawn up naming his crime, He is scourged, and given the task of taking up His Cross and carrying it to Golgotha.

After being on trial at the Coulsil during the morning, jesus is at Pilate by sunrise (next day)
after being at Pilate still by noon, Jesus is crucified by 9am (next day)
 

Arsenios

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WRONG, and you are introducing a new and unnecesary element: the day of the week

The idea is to put it in a western, modern, time frame... The Sabbath is Saturday... He was arrested, given an ecclesiastical trial, condemned and sent to Pilate for execution the "Day of Preparation"... For THAT was His "preparation", you see... He had to be executed on the day before the High Sabbath, and that day can only be Friday...

Besides, why are you so touchy about converting the time line into modern terms? They are easy to retrofit after they are sequentially sorted out...

Arsenios
 

0scar

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Jesus was arrested very early in the mornig of a day.
Jesus was led to anas that same day.
It is not clear in which day Jesus is led to caiaphas (lets asume that it was the same day)
Jesus is led to the Counsil and trial during hours in the morning of a day (let supose it is still the same day)
Jesus is led to pilate by daybreak (it MUST be a following day)
Jesus is led to herod and back to Pilate
Jesus is still at pilate by noon on a day.
Jesus is crucified by 9m (necessarelly a next day again)
 

oatmeal

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Do you have a verse that shows a passing of a day or the coming of a new day? I don't. I haven't found any.

Do you need one that says "the next day"?

or does the fact that Jesus was arrested at night and that he was before Pilate, then Herod then Pilate again in the day, then let to the judgement hall and then led out to be crucified sufficient?

When you include the trials before Annas and Caiphas the evening before, that is a ton of event to account for between an evening arrest and a crucifixion the next morning at the third hour, about nine am.

Throw in the **** crowings that Jesus told Peter of while he was still with Annas and Caiphas.

Expecting that all those events could happen over night in say 15 hours, well, you figure it out
 

oatmeal

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The idea is to put it in a western, modern, time frame... The Sabbath is Saturday... He was arrested, given an ecclesiastical trial, condemned and sent to Pilate for execution the "Day of Preparation"... For THAT was His "preparation", you see... He had to be executed on the day before the High Sabbath, and that day can only be Friday...

Besides, why are you so touchy about converting the time line into modern terms? They are easy to retrofit after they are sequentially sorted out...

Arsenios

That sabbath was a high day, a special sabbath because it was the beginning of the feast of unleavened bread, the passover.

Thus it could technically occur on any day of the week. Sabbath does not mean Saturday. It is a day of rest and reflection and thankfulness to God, which in my experience, maybe yours, you could choose to do any day of the week, especially if it was a "holy day" like Christmas occurring on Wednesday.

Why do some people go to church services on Christmas even though it does not fall on Sunday most of the years? Because it is a high day, a holy day for those people
 

0scar

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Very simple
Jesus was at Pilate at the sixth hour which is 12 noon
after that, pilate present Jesus to the Jew to choose beteewn him and Barrabas, Pilate sentence Jesus, Jesus is wiped by the romans, Jesus depart to the Golgotha with difficulties to carry the patibulus, and is crucified.
Jesus is already at the cross by the thrid hour which is 9 am.

Jesus was crucified at 9am following the 12 noon. I dont need a verse stating "next day".
 

rstrats

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Oscar,

re: "Jesus was arrested very early in the mornig of a day."

What hours do you attribute to the morning of a calendar day?
 

Jacob

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Do you need one that says "the next day"?

or does the fact that Jesus was arrested at night and that he was before Pilate, then Herod then Pilate again in the day, then let to the judgement hall and then led out to be crucified sufficient?

When you include the trials before Annas and Caiphas the evening before, that is a ton of event to account for between an evening arrest and a crucifixion the next morning at the third hour, about nine am.

Throw in the **** crowings that Jesus told Peter of while he was still with Annas and Caiphas.

Expecting that all those events could happen over night in say 15 hours, well, you figure it out
Are you saying you believe it is or is not possible?

My only question was the distance between Pilate and Herod.
 

0scar

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the distance from Herod to Pilate is irrelevant. Jesus was at pilate by 12 noon and crucified by 9am next morning
the actual hour of Jesus arres it is also irrelevant. Jesus was at pilate by 12 noon and crucified by 9am next morning
 

Jacob

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the distance from Herod to Pilate is irrelevant. Jesus was at pilate by 12 noon and crucified by 9am next morning
the actual hour of Jesus arres it is also irrelevant. Jesus was at pilate by 12 noon and crucified by 9am next morning
If all the distance can be traveled in one day, and no more than one day is mentioned, then it is probable that the events happened in one day.
 
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