Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 3

aCultureWarrior said:

That's why God ordained man to legislate laws: there will always be those that don't believe in God's Word.




As I had mentioned before: the sin of homosexuality has a special place in many a Christian's heart because they have a friend or a family member that partakes in the behavior and they don't want to come across as too "judgmental" by enforcing laws that will help these morally confused people.

Which brings me to Selwyn Duke's article once again:

WHY MANY AMERICAN CHRISTIANS ARE REALLY UN-CHRISTIAN

"Let us be blunt: It is simply not possible to espouse relativism — which holds that right and wrong are opinion — and be a true Christian...
...There are many doctrinal differences among the denominations, and good people could debate them ad nauseam and still not settle every one. Yet, if anything is central to Christianity, it’s the belief that Truth is spelled with a capital “T,” that it is absolute, universal and eternal."

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That is basically a lie aCW.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful" attributed to Seneca the younger.

Those who would seek to rule or control others know that their own puny relative opinions and voice will not sway or control very many, but if they can somehow persuade the masses that there is a Godly ultimate "Truth" and that they speak it, then perhaps they will acquire the control they seek.
The lie is aCW that neither you nor they has any more actual knowledge of any such "Truth" than anyone else does with their own relative opinions, even if there is such a thing as "Truth", which I personally very much doubt.
You would have us believe that you somehow espouse Godly "Truth" not just your own puny relative morality because your own homophobia seems to require quite a bit of a supposed Godly amplification and "Truth".

aCultureWarrior said:

Yet you just stated a page ago:

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I don't really feel the need to fight the culture war. If we preach the gospel and people believe it that problem will solve itself. I see no real point in trying to convince non-Christians to accept Christian morals...

But but but Jr., by preaching the gospel, aren't you trying to get non-Christians to accept Christian morals?

What's it going to be Jr. : preach only the gospel to abortionists, homosexuals, pornographers and those who engage in incest, or legislate righteous laws in addition to missionary work?

While you're here:

(Psssst, Jr., I need to ask you a favor. My "connection" had a slight accident and I need a few ounces of meth or smack. Can you hook me up?)

http://hardnoxandfriends.com/2014/01/29/obamas-gay-pot-dealer-killed-for-flatulence/

Which reminds me: I haven't played any music in quite a while. How about a little Trini Lopez?



Back later with a response to "reasonable Al".

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Here's how I put it to someone in my church recently...

I don't think we need to be trying to turn the US into a theocracy or a theonomy, nor do I believe America is a "Christian nation". That doesn't mean, however, that if the leaders of our country are committing mass murder that you just sit there and don't comment on it.

You could replace "mass murder" with a variety of other issues, but my point is, our leaders (while they exist, ideally we would have no head of State except God himself) are responsible to consistently enforce the law against aggressive acts, and not to engage in immoral acts themselves (whether aggressive or not.) But our leaders are NOT responsible to force other people to comply with Christian sexual morals or Christian views on drunkenness or whatever, that isn't their place.

And even with the issues that we should be fighting for, the gospel should remain our first priority. I see no sign of that for you, because you don't know what the gospel is.

Christian Liberty said:

Here's how I put it to someone in my church recently...

I don't think we need to be trying to turn the US into a theocracy or a theonomy, nor do I believe America is a "Christian nation". That doesn't mean, however, that if the leaders of our country are committing mass murder that you just sit there and don't comment on it.

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I have to agree with you Jr.: If we legislate laws against "choice", we'll become a theocracy or theonomy. So just say NO! to laws against abortion.

You could replace "mass murder" with a variety of other issues, but my point is, our leaders (while they exist, ideally we would have no head of State except God himself) are responsible to consistently enforce the law against aggressive acts, and not to engage in immoral acts themselves (whether aggressive or not.) But our leaders are NOT responsible to force other people to comply with Christian sexual morals or Christian views on drunkenness or whatever, that isn't their place.

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Were you able to score any smack or meth for me, cuz I'm hurtin baaaad man.

And even with the issues that we should be fighting for, the gospel should remain our first priority. I see no sign of that for you, because you don't know what the gospel is.

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You're correct, I don't know what the gospel is. You've told me that numerous times as has your Libertarian friend in denial.

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I am interested in the opinions of Nimrod, Drbrumley, WizardofOz, Willie the Coyote, and any other libertarian/Ron Paul supporter on this website.

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I am not and have never been a Libertarian.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3940161&postcount=29

Obviously my 50 something year old pastor with a theology degree doesn't know what he's talking about when he talks about loving God with all of your heart and loving your neighbor as you'd love yourself. He doesn't know what he's talking about when he says if you love God you'll be obedient to His Word; so I guess I should rely on a 18 year old kid who idolizes faggots/child molesters/pornographers and drug pushers to help me figure it out.

It's just a matter of time before those who proudly (and arrogantly I might add) engage in homosexual behavior have their wildest dream come true:

Overnight campouts with 12 year old boys.

Attorney General Eric Holder’s Speech to Lambda Legal Urging Boy Scouts to Allow Adult Homosexual Scoutmasters

Holder implies that homosexuality is “equal” in all respects to heterosexuality.

The following is the full text of Attorney General Eric Holder’s speech
http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/speeches/2014/ag-speech-1406102.html

at a June 10 reception for the homosexual activist organization Lambda Legal. Excerpted at the top are Holder’s remarks advocating that the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) allow homosexual adult Scoutmasters. Last year, the BSA capitulated to a longtime LGBT demand by admitting openly homosexual boys as members–only to find itself under continued pressure from pro-homosexual groups to allow openly “gay” adults.

As an artifact of American political, cultural and legal history, this speech is quite stunning in its claims and underlying presumptions. It deserves a thorough dissection by reasoned defenders of historic, Judeo-Christian truth. Holder, a mere man of the Left, presumes divine-like moral authority as he stipulates that homosexual relationships are completely equal in all respects to normal, heterosexual relationships:


“And although millions of Americans have stood together to remind these young [homosexual] men and women that “it gets better,” too many others continue to hold beliefs and perpetuate stereotypes that LGBT citizens are somehow inferior. That their love is somehow less worthy. And that who they are – at their very core – is somehow less legitimate than their peers.”

Read more: http://americansfortruth.com/2014/0...couts-to-allow-adult-homosexual-scoutmasters/

Let's see: The Boys Scouts of America had a HUGE problem with homosexual males covertly infiltrating their ranks as Scoutmasters and molesting thousands of young boys. Because the Boy Scouts of America weren't diligent in keeping homosexual sexual predators away from these innocent young boys, they paid out 10's of millions of dollars in lawsuits.

Hmmmm...it sounds "reasonable" to allow those who engage in homosexual behavior to be around little boys.

Wouldn't you agree Al?

aCultureWarrior said:

Hmmmm...it sounds "reasonable" to allow those who engage in homosexual behavior to be around little boys.

Wouldn't you agree Al?

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Why should they be excluded aCW? :idunno:

You seem to want to know and control what people do in their private sex lives and then seek to exclude them from responsible secular activities because of it.
Mind your own business, that is not reasonable or rational unless they actually are a threat to young people just as any other person could be.

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Let's see: The Boys Scouts of America had a HUGE problem with homosexual males covertly infiltrating their ranks as Scoutmasters and molesting thousands of young boys. Because the Boy Scouts of America weren't diligent in keeping homosexual sexual predators away from these innocent young boys, they paid out 10's of millions of dollars in lawsuits
Hmmmm...it sounds "reasonable" to allow those who engage in homosexual behavior to be around little boys.

Wouldn't you agree Al?

alwight said:

Why should they be excluded aCW?

You seem to want to know and control what people do in their private sex lives and then seek to exclude them from responsible secular activities because of it.
Mind your own business, that is not reasonable or rational unless they actually are a threat to young people just as any other person could be.

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Thank you for pointing out two things Al:

1). That you have no problem with sexual predators being around children, and

2). You can't reason with some people, hence the purpose behind the rule of law.

Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled, either by a power within them, or by a power without them; either by the word of God, or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible, or by the bayonet.
—Robert C. Winthrop, Addresses and Speeches on Various Occasions, 1852

aCultureWarrior said:

Thank you for pointing out two things Al:

1). That you have no problem with sexual predators being around children, and

2). You can't reason with some people, hence the purpose behind the rule of law.

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It's always entertaining aCW to find out just how you'll misrepresent what was actually said with your own phony fabrication.
I haven't quite worked out your "reasoning" process yet, but perhaps you don't have a need for one.
What is probably rather more true is that you really don't have a problem with sexual predators being around children providing they don't identify as homosexual.

aCultureWarrior said:

Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled, either by a power within them, or by a power without them; either by the word of God, or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible, or by the bayonet.
—Robert C. Winthrop, Addresses and Speeches on Various Occasions, 1852

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Presumably then aCW you consider yourself to be a controller of others, God's spokesman and enforcer of "Truth" on Earth perhaps?
Oh dear, the lunatic Christian Taliban man wants to run the asylum.

I actually agree with the quote, but I took it to mean that secular ideologies naturally lead to more control by the bayonet, and that the spread of Christianity and the Bible leads to less control by the bayonet. Assuming this is the case, I can only assume that aCW is not a Christian.

There's a word that the pagans use when you're doing something wrong and it comes back to haunt you, a close friend or a loved one:

Karma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

A phrase used quite often in our society is

"What goes around comes around".
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/what_goes_around_comes_around

For those of the Christian faith, we use the Bible verse

Galatians 6:7

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

For those of you that are following this thread outside of TOL, you might not be able to view this link (this would be a good time to register and become a member of the TOL community).

While this is a very sad thread that Libertarian shagter01 has started, it reeks of Karma/what comes around goes around/Galatians 6:7.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102231

I recently told my friend Lon that without a doubt in my mind, the majority of the people posting in this thread are practicing homosexuals who will be dead from AIDS, murdered by a homosexual lover, or have their life cut short by one of the many things that shortens the lifespan of someone that engages in homosexual behavior.

The few others that have posted in favor of homosexual behavior in this thread will be punished other ways, as we've seen in the case of shagster01.

While bad things do happen to good people; bad things are guaranteed to happen to those that promote evil.



Back later with an interesting finding on the Jerry Sandusky investigation.

aCultureWarrior said:

I recently told my friend Lon that without a doubt in my mind, the majority of the people posting in this thread are practicing homosexuals who will be dead from AIDS, murdered by a homosexual lover, or have their life cut short by one of the many things that shortens the lifespan of someone that engages in homosexual behavior.

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Hang on a minute aCW you're the one who seems to think that sexual orientation is a choice, which must mark you as clearly bisexual by nature if not in actual deed. I otoh am much too old to be gay according to you and your "wisdom".
I wonder if you being a repressed homosexual rather than an active one will save you from an early death?
Let's all hope so.

aCultureWarrior said:

The few others that have posted in favor of homosexual behavior in this thread will be punished other ways, as we've seen in the case of shagster01.

While good things do happen to good people; bad things are guaranteed to happen to those that promote evil.

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This looks like a return to good ol' Bible thumping, hell fire, eternal suffering and stuff?

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I recently told my friend Lon that without a doubt in my mind, the majority of the people posting in this thread are practicing homosexuals who will be dead from AIDS, murdered by a homosexual lover, or have their life cut short by one of the many things that shortens the lifespan of someone that engages in homosexual behavior.

alwight said:

Hang on a minute aCW you're the one who seems to think that sexual orientation is a choice, which must mark you as clearly bisexual by nature if not in actual deed. I otoh am much too old to be gay according to you and your "wisdom".
I wonder if you being a repressed homosexual rather than an active one will save you from an early death?
Let's all hope so.

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Look at Al, getting all cocky because he beat the average lifespan of a homosexual by close to 20 years. So tell us Al: do you still go to the closet and bring out the gowns that you used to wear back in the day when you were "active"?


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The few others that have posted in favor of homosexual behavior in this thread will be punished other ways, as we've seen in the case of shagster01.

While bad things do happen to good people; bad things are guaranteed to happen to those that promote evil.

This looks like a return to good ol' Bible thumping, hell fire, eternal suffering and stuff?

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Take your eyes of your latest edition of the NAMBLA newsletter for a moment and focus Al. The post wasn't necessarily about eternal damnation, it was about the consequences of your actions while you're still here on earth.


The AIDS Quilt

It's a long summer ahead with all of the gay pride/march of the moral degenerate parades to report on. Here's a report from our friends at Mass Resistance on Boston's moral degenerate parade:

"Gay Pride Week" in Boston reveals what the media doesn't tell you about the homosexual movement.

Also: MassResistance protest at Gay Pride Parade draws anger & vitriol!

June 14, 2014

Most people only see the filtered version of "gayness" that the mainstream media presents, which portrays it as wholesome, joyous, and even healthy. But the public spectacle of a "Gay Pride Week" (June 6-14) in a major city like Boston reveals a great deal about the pathologies, addictions, perversions, and general dysfunction surrounding homosexual behavior that is generally kept hidden.

Make no mistake: "Gay Pride" is vastly different than the South Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade, or the Puerto Rican Parade -- or anything else you'll see in the public streets. It's not really about "fun" or even politics. It's more like a display of pathological issues.

It was not full of public sex acts like the Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco or some events in New York. But the "collateral damage" of LGBT behavior was very much in view.

For example, if you spent much time at the major "Pride Week" events you also saw examples of and references to:
•Sado-masochism
•Profanity and vulgarity, much of it in an angry tone
•Homosexual sex; condoms and anal lubricant given out almost everywhere
•Horrible "gay" diseases and psychological problems
•The problem of "gay" domestic violence
•Hatred of traditional religion, particularly Catholicism
•Perversions such as cross-dressing and transsexual body mutilation
•An obsession with children and teenagers

One couldn't miss the many very troubled and disturbed people marching and participating, and many others who were there to show what good open-minded "progressives" they are. It was an eerie feeling.

Read more: http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/14b/pride-week/about-pride-week/index.html


The "New England Leather Alliance," a sado-masochist group, had a prominent presence in Boston Gay Pride. Note the logo on their banner includes a whip. Their flag is a black-and-blue version of the US Flag. [All photos from MassResistance]

aCultureWarrior said:

So tell us Al: do you still go to the closet and bring out the gowns that you used to wear back in the day when you were "active"?

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Now,now aCW, you are perhaps a little bit peeved at being outed.

aCultureWarrior said:

Take your eyes of your latest edition of the NAMBLA newsletter for a moment and focus Al. The post wasn't necessarily about eternal damnation, it was about the consequences of your actions while you're still here on earth.

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I'm rather sure that your favourite ancient scripture is not able to be applied to anywhere but here on Earth where it was compiled from the musings of ancient middle eastern goat herders.

Lon said:

The point? First of all, homosexuality is a deviance.

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so is being left handed

We need to protect youth. Eventually, enough data will convince the world that homosexuality and risk to youth is high.

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how much data would it take to convince you that it is not?

Regardless, he has a 'with me' or 'against me' attitude about this topic and I can't say as I blame him too overtly for that. We cannot be duped by propoganda.

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Like anti-gay propaganda?

There is a real problem, ACW isn't making this up. Some of it may be harder to substantiate and perhaps I agree some things aren't as credible, at least on the surface, but all wars use propoganda similarly. I'm a 'just the facts and what I can substantiate as facts' kind of person.

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even 'facts' that aren't credible and 'facts' that can't be substantiated?

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Look at Al, getting all cocky because he beat the average lifespan of a homosexual by close to 20 years.

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the "average lifespan of a homosexual" according to a discredited psychologist who was thrown out of his own professional organization because he was fabricating research on homosexuals

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Look at Al, getting all cocky because he beat the average lifespan of a homosexual by close to 20 years.

TracerBullet said:

the "average lifespan of a homosexual" according to a discredited psychologist who was thrown out of his own professional organization because he was fabricating research on homosexuals

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Welcome back Traci, where ya been? I was worried that you may have accidentally "broke wind" in your boyfriend's presence and met an early demise like our head pervert's former drug dealer did.

A British newspaper is reporting President Obama’s high-school marijuana dealer whom he thanked in his yearbook for the “good times” was beaten to death by his homosexual lover after fighting over flatulence and drugs.

The Daily Mail reports that Raymond Boyer, known as “Gay Ray” to Obama and his pot-smoking “Choom Gang,” was bludgeoned to death with a hammer seven years after selling narcotics to Obama and his friends.

Boyer’s paramour, Andrew Devere, a male prostitute, listed numerous reasons for slaying the surfer and unemployed chef.

Among them were the fact that Boyer constantly put Devere down, made him beg for drugs and would often break wind in his face.

Boyer died at the young age of 37,...
http://hardnoxandfriends.com/2014/01/29/obamas-gay-pot-dealer-killed-for-flatulence/

"If I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning..."

aCultureWarrior said:

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Look at Al, getting all cocky because he beat the average lifespan of a homosexual by close to 20 years.



Welcome back Traci, where ya been? I was worried that you may have accidentally "broke wind" in your boyfriend's presence and met an early demise like our head pervert's former drug dealer did.

A British newspaper is reporting President Obama’s high-school marijuana dealer whom he thanked in his yearbook for the “good times” was beaten to death by his homosexual lover after fighting over flatulence and drugs.

The Daily Mail reports that Raymond Boyer, known as “Gay Ray” to Obama and his pot-smoking “Choom Gang,” was bludgeoned to death with a hammer seven years after selling narcotics to Obama and his friends.

Boyer’s paramour, Andrew Devere, a male prostitute, listed numerous reasons for slaying the surfer and unemployed chef.

Among them were the fact that Boyer constantly put Devere down, made him beg for drugs and would often break wind in his face.

Boyer died at the young age of 37,...
http://hardnoxandfriends.com/2014/01/29/obamas-gay-pot-dealer-killed-for-flatulence/

"If I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning..."

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that is a lot of arm waving and misdirection even from you. I guess my post really rattled you

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that is a lot of arm waving and misdirection even from you. I guess my post really rattled you

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What, that someone who exposed the obvious (those who partake in homosexual behavior live an extremely at risk lifestyle and on the average die at a much younger age) isn't accepted by the pro homosexual American Psychological Association or the pro homosexual American Psychiatric Association?

We already covered how homosexual activists infiltrated the APA in the latter pages of part 2. Frank "I see nothing wrong with sex with animals as long as the animal doesn't mind" Kameny and bull dyke Barbara Gittings made no qualms that it was a political move to have homosexuality removed from the list of mental disorders.

One only need look at the American Psychological Association's website to see that their stance on homosexuality is extremely biased.

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx

As I'd shown in a youtube video in the latter pages of part 2: the former president of the APA, Nicolas Cummings, admits that the APA has been "captured by homosexuals".
http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2013/01/31/apa-has-been-‘captured-by-homosexuals’#.U6wZ18tOUiQ

Yes, the American Psychological Association is "cuckoo for gay gay puffs":
http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/02/american-psychological-association-is-cuckoo-for-gay-gay-puffs/

Heck, even the Centers for Disease Control, a medical organization that should be telling the truth about this extremely harmful behavior, has jumped on the pro sodomite wagon.

Stigma and Discrimination
The Effects of Negative Attitudes About Homosexuality
http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/stigma-and-discrimination.htm

Our friend Peter LaBarbera at Americans For Truth About Homosexuality points out that the CDC even funds homosexual activist groups:

Another CDC document, “HIV and Young Men Who Have Sex with Men” (June 2012), reports that in 2011, the CDC awarded funds to two homosexual activists groups — the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) and the Gay-Straight Alliance Network (GSAN) — “to assist CDC-funded public health and environmental changes to help schools and communities meet the health and medical needs of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youth.” See this CNSNews article on the CDC grant.
http://americansfortruth.com/2013/0...ses-among-young-men-linked-to-homosexual-sex/
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...ctivists-establish-safe-spaces-public-schools

So don't go trying to tell me princess that just because studies and information is "NFA" (not fag approved) that it's not true, as one only has to look at the behavior and lifestyle of homosexuals to see that it is extremely harmful.

What? Homosexual activists do activist stuff?
How dare they aCW! :AMR:

aCultureWarrior said:

What, that someone who exposed the obvious (those who partake in homosexual behavior live an extremely at risk lifestyle and on the average die at a much younger age)

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"on average die at a much young age" according to a disgraced psychologist who has a long history of making up research

isn't accepted by the pro homosexual American Psychological Association or the pro homosexual American Psychiatric Association?

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once again you are saying that anyone who rejects blatant lies is "pro homosexual"

We already covered how homosexual activists infiltrated the APA in the latter pages of part 2. Frank "I see nothing wrong with sex with animals as long as the animal doesn't mind" Kameny and bull dyke Barbara Gittings made no qualms that it was a political move to have homosexuality removed from the list of mental disorders.

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you mean Gittings referring to the political move to put the issue to a vote by those unable to produce a shred of evidence that homosexuality was a pathology.

One only need look at the American Psychological Association's website to see that their stance on homosexuality is extremely biased.

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relying on actual research and facts is biased? well of course it would be to you

As I'd shown in a youtube video in the latter pages of part 2: the former president of the APA, Nicolas Cummings, admits that the APA has been "captured by homosexuals".

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he also claimed that he wrote the APA's nomenclature comities proposal to have homosexuality dropped form the DSM...it was actually written by Robert Spitzer.

Our friend Peter LaBarbera at Americans For Truth About Homosexuality points out that the CDC even funds homosexual activist groups:

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how is your friend porno Pete? is he still working on collecting the world's largest private collection of gay porn?

So don't go trying to tell me princess that just because studies and information is "NFA" (not fag approved) that it's not true, as one only has to look at the behavior and lifestyle of homosexuals to see that it is extremely harmful.

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gee if it was true then why do you have to resort to referencing a discredited psychologist who was thrown out of his own professional organization because he was fabricating research?