6days
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And we know that's impossible since natural selection never creates...it only eliminates the weakest. Natural selection can't 'evolve' fish into philosophers.
Creation vs. Evolution
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You're dodging the issue with this divergence because you can't answer my point in post #3234.
--Dave
gcthomas
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I didn't bother since you were clearly equivocating over the meaning of the word evolution. I am content that mutations happen, but not that individuals, but the point you make is irrelevant since the choice of words doesn't change or challenge the theory. If you want to have private meanings for otherwise understood words that is your lookout, unless you are using that alternative meaning as an important part of your argument.
And you seem to be dodging MY question: do you really think that PE somehow undermines the theory of evolution of which it is a fully paid up member? If you do, then you need to find more than different nuances.
6days
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Perhaps they were suddenly created. That's what the evidence suggests.
doloresistere
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What evidence?
noguru
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Place both models side by side and compare your criticism to both. You don't get a "get out of jail" free card just because you want to claim a "supernatural" explanation.
noguru
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You left out the other component of genetic variation. Together genetic variation and selection pressure seems to create biodiversity. That is what the evidence suggests.
A fact and a theory are two different things. The evolutionist's response that evolution is a fact and a theory is their equivocation coming to the fore.
--Dave :thumb:
gcthomas
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Are you suggesting that a theory cannot in principle be factually accurate, i.e. a fact? It would be very funny if you said yes.
It was you who mistook what I meant by evolution thinking I meant something other than what I described in my last post. The equivocation you accuse me of was created by your own mind--a straw man.
You created that straw man so you wouldn't have to answer my comment about PE, which was not that it undermines ToE, but that it merely gives a paltry excuse for the failure of the fossil record to provide evidence by proposing that evolution occurs in isolation and too rapidly to have left any.
Physical evidence from the fossil record is no longer required, the prediction of gradualism is safe from refutation.
Darwin's uniform gradualism was challenged in his day with discontinuous and rapid saltationism, PE is a rapid (unverifiable) gradualism--an oxymoron for morons.
--Dave
gcthomas
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SO you are only claiming that the theory isn't complete, not that you have any evidence against it?
OK. :crackup:
It isn't quite complete. So, what is your next argument against evolution theory?
alwight
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Do you really think that you have in any way shown specifically how the ToE is not strictly in accordance with reason and logic? I don't think so btw.
Yes but I'm quite fair and reasonable about it Dave, I don't think that anyone's untestable claims of a supernatural are in the least bit admissible as science. Which btw also goes for astrology, alchemy, voodoo, black magic and witchcraft.
Special pleading for one specific supernatural isn't exactly scientific either Dave. Afaic while no supernatural claims can be put to the test or perhaps falsified then I can see no reason for even considering anyone's woo as being more than just worthless bald assertion.
The fact is evidence from the fossil record contradicts it.
The fact is evidence from DNA contradicts it.
The fact is the entropy principle of physics contradicts it.
The theory of evolution is one explanation after another that attempts to persuade us that evolution occurs anyway, despite the facts.
--Dave
gcthomas
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The fossil record is consistent with evolution.
DNA evidence supports evolution, there is sooo much. For one, HERVs. Broken vitamin c genes another. Similarities between the genomes of related species and groups another. Etc.
And Physics contradicts it? And you claim that with what evidence? It is daft, Dave, to put your trust in arguments you don't understand. Have you ever studied Physics beyond high school level?
You make the mistake of requiring physical evidence for non physical intelligent spirit. You think it black magic to believe in a supernatural intelligent being but have no problem believing that intelligence has evolved from non intelligent physical material.
The Bible accurately informs us of origins that are confirmed in the fossil record as fully formed humans and every living thing created in distinct forms (sudden appearance), with diversity encoded into every cell--DNA.
The Bible also accurately informs us of an ancient global flood confirmed by geology, sudden burial animals, and a massive burial of plant life that produced coal.
Unfortunately for you the Bible also issues a Burn notice.
--Dave
noguru
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So again, we are right back to the beginning of your insane cycle of unsubstantiated claims. And you wonder why competent people just laugh at you for being a charlatan.
I notice your new extra inclusion of threats of "hell" for those who do not agree with you here. And so we have the last desperate rantings of an irrational charlatan.
noguru
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No, you don't.
You are quite irrational. You keep repeating the same obvious mistakes over, and over and over... again, thinking that is some kind of progress. That is the epitome of irrational.
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