God's Truth
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I think they believe it.
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I think they believe it.
KingdomRose
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Yes, and he wasn't talking about the RCC.
KingdomRose
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Jesus was dead for three days. THEN he was raised up again. THEN he went to the "spirits in prison." Those "spirits" were obviously the DEMONS---the angels that disobeyed and fell from their approved standing with God. (See IPeter 3:18-20....make sure you read verse 20! Also Genesis 6:2; 2Peter 2:4,5; Jude 6.)
"Hades" was simply Jesus' GRAVE. He was in his grave for three days, and then he went in the spirit to talk to the fallen angels who were in a FIGURATIVE prison: a spiritually dark condition.
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brewmama
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Why don't you read the rest of my post, then we can discuss it. And I never said we don't consecrate it.
KingdomRose
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Yes that was a regular meal. No mention of wine. No mention of "eating" his flesh. They recognized him after the meal because of what he was saying to them. They didn't recognize him at first because when he was resurrected he was resurrected "in the spirit" (I Peter 3:18; I Corinthians 15:45) and thus he didn't look exactly the same when he materialized a physical body so he could walk with the disciples to Emmaus.
KingdomRose
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yeh, i can relate to the, uh.. frustration or whatever. It is really sad, though, when you think of it.. how far from the True Church Protestants are. that 500-year gap is not their fault. It is Luther's fault. He was a mere human but many act like he was--well, fill in the blanks.. some new savior or something..
sigh.. ignorance!
what is it good for?
(you know, that 70s song..)
Yeah! WAR! Huh! What is it good for??? Absolutely nothin'! (But doesn't your Church support it?)
KingdomRose
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Then why did he have Jesus' body in his pocket and only a shredded piece of it? Please.
I guess he didn't think too much of Jesus.
Jesus preached to the disobedient angels in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared.
(1 Peter 3:18-20)
KingdomRose
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No he didn't. It was after he was resurrected.
...who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. (1 Peter 3:20)
You should have read verse 20.
:readthis:
csuguy
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Maybe, maybe not. It could be that the author translated the hebrew word 'Cephas' that was used by Jesus into the Greek 'Petros' for his Greek speaking audience. He is also referred to as Cephas after all.
At any rate, if we accept 1 Peter 2 then there is nothing wrong with accepting that Peter is a stone of the church - just not the corner stone. He is as much a stone of the church as we are today, if we truly live as followers of Christ at any rate.
csuguy
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Indeed - one of the accusations that the enemies of the Early Church put forth was this idea that this was cannabilism. The Church Fathers refuted them and established it was symbolic.
Are you of the opinion that our Lord Jesus Christ was unaware of Leviticus 17:11-14 when He said John 6:53-56?
Because I'm not.
I believe He knew very well Leviticus 17:11-14 when He said John 6:53-56.
And that means something very important.
And I don't think that you really understand it.
brewmama
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You have to really twist things around to avoid the very clear point of that story- which is that the eucharist enables us to recognize Christ even more than reading the Scriptures, but I know that's what you do. You are changing it quite a bit, for example it wasn't "after the meal" that they recognized Him, it was when He took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. And their eyes were opened.
What did He say to them "after the meal," as opposed to what He said to them all day long? Nothing in the Scriptures about it. Total twisting on your part.
brewmama
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They most certainly did not.
brewmama
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You are clueless as to how the host is handled and maintained, at least in our Church.
God's Truth
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Maybe he thinks he is so holy, being the one that turned the wafers into the real flesh of Jesus in the first place.
God's Truth
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You are mixed up. The scriptures say that when Jesus died on the cross he went to prison in the Spirit.
Why would Jesus preach the gospel to demons so they could obey?
The demons are not offered salvation.
You are speaking much error.
csuguy
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Because they didn't teach things like this at all...
"Elsewhere the Lord, in the Gospel according to John, brought this out by symbols, when He said: 'Eat ye my flesh, and drink my blood,' describing distinctly by metaphor the drinkable properties of faith and the promise, by means of which the Church, like a human being consisting of many members, is refreshed and grows, is welded together and compacted of both,--of faith, which is the body, and of hope, which is the soul; as also the Lord of flesh and blood. For in reality the blood of faith is hope, in which faith is held as by a vital principle."--(Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor, 1:6)
"In what manner do you think the Lord drank when He became man for our sakes? As shamelessly as we? Was it not with decorum and propriety? Was it not deliberately? For rest assured, He Himself also partook of wine; for He, too, was man. And He blessed the wine, saying, 'Take, drink: this is my blood'--the blood of the vine. He figuratively calls the Word 'shed for many, for the remission of sins'--the holy stream of gladness. And that he who drinks ought to observe moderation, He clearly showed by what He taught at feasts. For He did not teach affected by wine. And that it was wine which was the thing blessed, He showed again, when He said to His disciples, 'I will not drink of the fruit of this vine, till I drink it with you in the kingdom of my Father.'" (Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor, 2:2)