Prison guards cook prisoner to death

aCultureWarrior · Jan 30, 2016

Crucible said:
People do varying degrees of weird things incarcerated.

Cross dress, become someone's boyfriend, etc. But we won't talk about those weird things.

Throwing one's feces around is not unheard of or is, unfortunately, even that uncommon.

Feces is the cause of a lot of diseases. While you think that it isn't "uncommon" (a fellow con would probably beat his cellmate senseless if he found it on the floor of their cell), correction officers shouldn't have to put up with it.

An angry person in a prison can resort to such antics.

So many of these prison inmates have been angry their entire lives. Abused as children, broken homes, drugs, their dysfunctional childhood is a reflection of their anger that they have in prison.

Prison guards are made aware of these things in their training- they know what they signed up for.
And the same can be said for police officers; they are all without excuse when they do crooked things.

Your are correct, these people are professionals and should be above such things. When they are tried (not by an internet forum, but by a jury of their peers) and convicted, they'll pay the price for their crimes.

This Charming Manc · Jan 30, 2016

If that the case be prepared for lifes harshness to fall on your head.

Earned has an element of proportionality both positive and negative, earned also has elements of prior agreement to it.

ok doser said:
he earned a response

it was a harsh response :idunno:

life's harsh when you're stupid

ok doser · Jan 30, 2016

This Charming Manc said:
If that the case be prepared for lifes harshness to fall on your head.

meh :idunno:

it happens

when it does, i suck it up and move on

manc said:
Earned has an element of proportionality both positive and negative, earned also has elements of prior agreement to it.

WoO asked:

WoO said:
If I am hired to work for $20.00/an hour and work for 8 hours, what have I earned?

my response:

me said:
160 bucks. right?

minus a whole buncha deductions

and plus a whole buncha stuff:

sore back
tired muscles
eyestrain
raised blood pressure
etc

and if that job frustrates you to the point that you have a heart attack or a stroke?

guess what?

you earned it

Manc - does WoO's heart attack or stroke have an element of proportionality or prior agreement?

and another illustration:

me said:
i could choose to drink a quart of jack Daniels and drive 140 mph on my way home tonight

chances are good that by choosing to sow recklessness i will reap consequences - they may be a loss of license, a loss of my intact car, a loss of physical integrity, a loss of life (mine or others) or any of a myriad of others

but whatever those consequences are, i will have earned them by my actions

does my quadriplegia have an element of proportionality or prior agreement?

WizardofOz · Jan 30, 2016

ok doser said:
Manc - does WoO's heart attack or stroke have an element of proportionality or prior agreement?

does my quadriplegia have an element of proportionality or prior agreement?

The heart attack, stroke and/or quadriplegia were caused directly by the individual.

Rainey didn't cook himself to death. The guards did that.

ok doser · Jan 30, 2016

WizardofOz said:
The heart attack, stroke and/or quadriplegia were caused directly by the individual.

rather, they were a direct result of choices that the individual made, choices to engage in actions that had unpredictable consequences

Rainey didn't cook himself to death. The guards did that.

the guards did that in response to choices rainey made, choices to engage in actions the consequences of which were unpredictable

WizardofOz · Jan 30, 2016

ok doser said:
rather, they were a direct result of choices that the individual made, choices to engage in actions that had unpredictable consequences

Direct result...I agree.

the guards did that in response to choices rainey made, choices to engage in actions the consequences of which were unpredictable

Not a direct result. Throwing poo around his jail cell did not directly cause the shower to turn on. There was no scolding shower activated by flying feces.

ok doser · Jan 30, 2016

WizardofOz said:
Not a direct result.

sure it was

Throwing poo around his jail cell did not directly cause the shower to turn on.

no, it directly caused a response by the guards

as should have been expected

WizardofOz · Jan 30, 2016

WizardofOz said:
does a soldier deserve to be beheaded by Isis because he joined the military? Did he earn his beheading?

Address it or not, that is up to you. Otherwise, I think we're at an impasse.

aCultureWarrior · Jan 30, 2016

WizardofOz said:
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does a soldier deserve to be beheaded by Isis because he joined the military? Did he earn his beheading?

(Aaron is now comparing a coke head who died in prison with American soldiers who die a the hands of Islamic barbarians?).

ok doser · Jan 30, 2016

WizardofOz said:
does a soldier deserve to be beheaded by Isis because he joined the military? Did he earn his beheading?

was he engaging in behaviors in which he had a reasonable expectation of being beheaded by Isis?

if not, then no

likewise, if i drive home with my cruise set at 65, sober, and i hit road debris that falls off the semi ahead of me and crash and become quadriplegic, then I don't deserve it, as I haven't earned it by my actions

WizardofOz · Jan 30, 2016

ok doser said:
was he engaging in behaviors in which he had a reasonable expectation of being beheaded by Isis?

if not, then no

Do prisoners who throw poo in their cell have a reasonable expectation of being cooked to death in a scolding shower?

Nope. Not by a long shot.

ok doser · Jan 30, 2016

WizardofOz said:
Do prisoners who throw poo in their cell have a reasonable expectation of being cooked to death in a scolding shower?

apparently, in this jail, the punishment was a common one - so yes, he had a reasonable expectation of being thrown into an uncomfortably hot shower

Christian Liberty · Jan 30, 2016

ok doser said:
apparently, in this jail, the punishment was a common one - so yes, he had a reasonable expectation of being thrown into an uncomfortably hot shower

"uncomfortably hot" enough to kill him!

"reasonable expectation" does not make this just in any way.

ok doser · Jan 30, 2016

Christian Liberty said:
"uncomfortably hot" enough to kill him!

"reasonable expectation" does not make this just in any way.

i'm not claiming that it does :idunno:

Tambora · Jan 30, 2016

ok doser said:
likewise, if i drive home with my cruise set at 65, sober, and i hit road debris that falls off the semi ahead of me and crash and become quadriplegic, then I don't deserve it, as I haven't earned it by my actions

Guess that will teach you that you should have been expecting that it does happen.

elohiym · Jan 30, 2016

ok doser said:
likewise, if i drive home with my cruise set at 65, sober, and i hit road debris that falls off the semi ahead of me and crash and become quadriplegic, then I don't deserve it, as I haven't earned it by my actions

There you are implying what you deserve should be just, right?

Arthur Brain · Jan 30, 2016

WizardofOz said:
Direct result...I agree.

Not a direct result. Throwing poo around his jail cell did not directly cause the shower to turn on. There was no scolding shower activated by flying feces.

Yep. Those guards should be up on murder/torture charges, as simple as that.

ok doser · Jan 31, 2016

elohiym said:
There you are implying what you deserve should be just, right?

by one definition of the word deserve, sure

but not the one i was using "to earn by one's actions"

elsewhere I have qualified this with "when those actions were taken in direct disregard of a known risk"

ok doser · Jan 31, 2016

to apply:

if i am a prisoner and i know that flinging my poo will get me disciplined, then i have earned that discipline by my choice to engage in that action

1PeaceMaker · Jan 31, 2016

The dictionary sometimes has more than one kind of meaning for a word. Deserve is not a word with more than one meaning.

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