New International PerVersion

Truster

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when I saw this
I figured the NIV was now in first place
and
it is

Top 10 Bible Translations in the United States

Why am I not surprised?

I was given an NIV when I was converted and it fell apart with use within 18 months. One day I was in Genesis and came to the verse, And God said to Noah, ''go into the ark''….I was not happy about this and could find no comfort. I checked with a KJV and discovered that the Eternal had said to Noah, ''COME into the ark''. I had great comfort in this and wondered what else my be amiss that would affect my soul. There are of course thousands of omissions and perversions in the NIV.
 

chrysostom

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Why am I not surprised?

I was given an NIV when I was converted and it fell apart with use within 18 months. One day I was in Genesis and came to the verse, And God said to Noah, ''go into the ark''….I was not happy about this and could find no comfort. I checked with a KJV and discovered that the Eternal had said to Noah, ''COME into the ark''. I had great comfort in this and wondered what else my be amiss that would affect my soul. There are of course thousands of omissions and perversions in the NIV.

and you use this example?

surely your faith is strong enough to handle this
 

Truster

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I must admit I can't stay reading these new versions long....

I used to volunteer at the Evangelical Movement of Wales bookshop in Town, but I removed my support because of the rubbish they sold. The greatest of which was the NIV. Once we know something is wrong we have a duty to act upon that knowledge. I lost a lot of friends in that action.
 

Totton Linnet

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Why am I not surprised?

I was given an NIV when I was converted and it fell apart with use within 18 months. One day I was in Genesis and came to the verse, And God said to Noah, ''go into the ark''….I was not happy about this and could find no comfort. I checked with a KJV and discovered that the Eternal had said to Noah, ''COME into the ark''. I had great comfort in this and wondered what else my be amiss that would affect my soul. There are of course thousands of omissions and perversions in the NIV.

What a world of difference there is between come and go...it shows a completely different perception of God.
 

Truster

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and you use this example?

surely your faith is strong enough to handle this

That's one example and where did I mention anything about faith? Are you suggesting that a little lie is OK? Because if it's not truth, it's a lie. There are no grey areas in this matter it's either black or white.
I have been set free by the truth. Not half truths or almost truths and I hold that truth as dear to me.
Noah was a type of Messiah and if the Eternal Father had not been with Noah it's equally possible He was not in Messiah reconciling to world to himself. It may seem insignificant, but its vital in understanding what took place. At the ark, and at Calvary.
 

Truster

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What a world of difference there is between come and go...it shows a completely different perception of God.

I will never leave you or forsake you.

It reminds me of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego they were not in the furnace alone. And we know wherever we are in whatever we do He is in the testing, the trial and salvation.

He doesn't say go, He always says come. Try Rev 22: 17.
 

nikolai_42

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One of the things (not the only) that keeps me from considering being a "card carrying" KJVOist is this :

www.av1611.org said:
The NIV & Zondervan

A little known fact: In 1988 Zondervan and the NIV was purchased by Harper & Row, Publishers (now HarperCollins Publishers). HarperCollins publishes "pro-homosexual" books such as Making Out, The Book of Lesbian Sex and Sexuality described as "Beautifully illustrated with full-color photography,. . . Making Out is the complete illustrated guide to lesbian sexuality and relationships. . .the intricacies of love play. . ." and many other pro-homosexual books!

HarperCollins is a subsidiary of the global media empire, The News Corporation, owned by Rupert Murdock. The News Corporation empire include Fox Broadcasting, Twentieth Century Fox, and more than 128 newspapers. Fox Broadcasting produces some of the most sexually lewd shows on television. Murdock also publishes the British newspaper, the Sun, notorious for its nude pin-ups.

VERY IMPORTANT! For the REAL PROOF Check out this link to HarperCollins

Now where is Don Wildmon when we really need him? Don was quick to boycott Kmart because subsidiary, Waldenbooks sold Playboy and Penthouse. Kmart can't "hold a candle" to the "filth" spewed by The News Corporation. Why isn't Don boycotting Zondervan and the NIV? Friend, every time you purchase the NIV you are giving to people who produce pro-homosexuality, pornographic material — AND THE SATANIC BIBLE! "Can two walk together, except they be AGREED?" Amos 3:3

Jesus Christ plainly said in Matthew 7:17-18:

Even so every GOOD tree bringeth forth GOOD fruit; but a CORRUPT tree bringeth forth EVIL FRUIT. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a CORRUPT tree bring forth GOOD FRUIT. (Matthew 7:17-18)

Do you think Jesus Christ was LIEING?

Do you really believe God would ALLOW His HOLY word to be "owned" by that group? ". . .for what fellowship hath RIGHTEOUSNESS with UNRIGHTEOUSNESS? and what communion hath light with darkness?"2 Cor. 6:14

Do you actually believe God would ALLOW His Holy Word to published by the same ungodly people who publish the Satanic Bible?

Being born again, not of CORRUPTIBLE seed, but of INCORRUPTIBLE, by the WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever. (1 Peter 1:23)

Please note that I don't have any problems with the KJV and after having had an NIV for several years in my youth, I find myself unable to go back to it. It doesn't have the power or authority that the KJV has.

But...with that said...it's things like the above quote that make me convinced that the KJVO people are missing something foundational. King James was a notorious pervert himself. And to any KJVOist who challenges that, let him allow one man to call another "my sweet child and wife" (and that's just the beginning of his debauchery). The point is, James himself commissioned the KJV because he didn't like the Geneva bible. He was the one responsible for it - even if only as a figurehead. HarperCollins has only bought the rights to the NIV. King James, the rotter he was, bore the original responsibility for the KJV. How is that any different?

So while neither HarperCollins or King James the man are examples of holy living, the KJVOist lives in a glass house and throws stones. And this just builds on itself so the KJVOist starts to see conspiracies and "God-haters" everywhere. And what this results in is what I believe the KJV calls "railing". Sometimes unfounded allegations coming from a spirit of bitter hatred. But they don't need to be unfounded, necessarily. Just a willingness to impugn and castigate anyone who says anything against them.

But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

2 Peter 2:10-12

If you've ever heard what comes from the mouths and pens of the likes of KJVOists such as Peter Ruckman and Gail Riplinger, you know that "railing" is a common occurrence.

One can love the KJV more than any other "modern" version without being a KJVOist
 

Spitfire

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I actually (finally) had a look at a copy of the much-maligned NIV recently.

I didn't think it was as bad as people make it out to be. Just a bit... neutered.

I wouldn't choose it. But I don't think it's really such an abomination.
 

Zeke

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That's one example and where did I mention anything about faith? Are you suggesting that a little lie is OK? Because if it's not truth, it's a lie. There are no grey areas in this matter it's either black or white.
I have been set free by the truth. Not half truths or almost truths and I hold that truth as dear to me.
Noah was a type of Messiah and if the Eternal Father had not been with Noah it's equally possible He was not in Messiah reconciling to world to himself. It may seem insignificant, but its vital in understanding what took place. At the ark, and at Calvary.

Isn't the new covenant based on the spirit? 2Cor 3:2-3.
 

Jabin

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Why am I not surprised?

I was given an NIV when I was converted and it fell apart with use within 18 months. One day I was in Genesis and came to the verse, And God said to Noah, ''go into the ark''….I was not happy about this and could find no comfort. I checked with a KJV and discovered that the Eternal had said to Noah, ''COME into the ark''. I had great comfort in this and wondered what else my be amiss that would affect my soul. There are of course thousands of omissions and perversions in the NIV.

What difference does "come" vs. "go" make?

Is the KJV your version of choice?
 

chrysostom

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Hall of Fame
the kjv has never threatened my beliefs
and
the niv shouldn't threaten yours

The New International Version (NIV) is a completely original translation of the Bible developed by more than one hundred scholars working from the best available Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts.
 

Jerry Shugart

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I checked with a KJV and discovered that the Eternal had said to Noah, ''COME into the ark''. I had great comfort in this and wondered what else my be amiss that would affect my soul. There are of course thousands of omissions and perversions in the NIV.

At least the NIV does not teach that the Lord will break His promises, as does the KJB:

"After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise" (Num.14:34; KJV).​

The NIV does not make that error:

"For forty years—one year for each of the forty days you explored the land—you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you’ " (Num.14:34; NIV).​
 

Truster

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At least the NIV does not teach that the Lord will break His promises, as does the KJB:

KJB….. Russian spies?

''breach of promise'' is a mistranslation it should be, ''alienation''. Opposition gives a better sense of the term, but alienation conveys the original sense of a negative reaction to a planned action. To break or bring to nought.

The NIV is closer, but neither is accurate.
 
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