An assumption without evidence to back it up!
Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?
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An assumption without evidence to back it up!
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
conscience and the inner light judges..........
conscience and the inner light judges..........
That's the crux of the debate, all angles trying to 'qualify' their 'interpretation' as 'biblical'. Issues on the words translated into the English word 'hell' have been treated elsewhere. In all 'assumptions', the justice and mercy of 'God' prevails in all fairness for all souls, recognizing those laws that govern their condition and destiny. - this is also where the principle of 'karma' (actions/consequences) ties in.
Even this could be called a 'fear tactic'. It might be more advantageous to just share the goodnews of the kingdom that Jesus shared and taught. All know there are consequences to 'sin', which brings its own suffering, now or later. 'Judgment' actually happens when the light of consciousness or one's own 'conscience' judges themselves by the law or light of 'God' within their own being, and calls them to repent or make amends. We are always facing and dealing with 'judgment' by our everyday living, from moment to moment. We are good to recognize this, even though we may religiously entertain a 'great Judgment Day' as some future event, representing the ultimacy of divine judgment in the final eschatology of things.
pj
conscience and the inner light judges..........
That's the crux of the debate, all angles trying to 'qualify' their 'interpretation' as 'biblical'. Issues on the words translated into the English word 'hell' have been treated elsewhere. In all 'assumptions', the justice and mercy of 'God' prevails in all fairness for all souls, recognizing those laws that govern their condition and destiny. - this is also where the principle of 'karma' (actions/consequences) ties in.
Even this could be called a 'fear tactic'. It might be more advantageous to just share the goodnews of the kingdom that Jesus shared and taught. All know there are consequences to 'sin', which brings its own suffering, now or later. 'Judgment' actually happens when the light of consciousness or one's own 'conscience' judges themselves by the law or light of 'God' within their own being, and calls them to repent or make amends. We are always facing and dealing with 'judgment' by our everyday living, from moment to moment. We are good to recognize this, even though we may religiously entertain a 'great Judgment Day' as some future event, representing the ultimacy of divine judgment in the final eschatology of things.
pj
doloresistere
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What assumption?
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
our 'approach'..........
our 'approach'..........
We might add that a concept of being 'saved' developed more into its formalism in later centuries of Christian culture and within our modern pop culture. Again we see come to 'principles'. "Goodness is its own reward, evil its own punishment". - there is no need to paint an eschatology of 'heaven' or 'hell' here,...or a 'judgment day', for everyone reaps what they sow.....moment to moment, with accompanying results. The principle of karma (action/consequence) cannot be avoided as long as there is movement, choice, inter-action of any kind. Such is the law, on this conditional plane of existence.
As far as street preachers go, I cant say there is no good done in some cases with those whose manners are kind, truly loving and considerate (thru sharing God's love and goodnews of the kingom, healing prayer, etc.), but some go too far where it becomes offending and truly demeaning even. That kind of approach seems to push people away from 'Christian religiosity' and confuses people over where Jesus fits into all this, beyond one's imposed dogmas. In this case while people "think" they are serving 'God' somehow, they do a dis-service to others.
pj
our 'approach'..........
We might add that a concept of being 'saved' developed more into its formalism in later centuries of Christian culture and within our modern pop culture. Again we see come to 'principles'. "Goodness is its own reward, evil its own punishment". - there is no need to paint an eschatology of 'heaven' or 'hell' here,...or a 'judgment day', for everyone reaps what they sow.....moment to moment, with accompanying results. The principle of karma (action/consequence) cannot be avoided as long as there is movement, choice, inter-action of any kind. Such is the law, on this conditional plane of existence.
As far as street preachers go, I cant say there is no good done in some cases with those whose manners are kind, truly loving and considerate (thru sharing God's love and goodnews of the kingom, healing prayer, etc.), but some go too far where it becomes offending and truly demeaning even. That kind of approach seems to push people away from 'Christian religiosity' and confuses people over where Jesus fits into all this, beyond one's imposed dogmas. In this case while people "think" they are serving 'God' somehow, they do a dis-service to others.
pj
Jesus died physically, not spiritually, not eternally.
Your statement reflects a lack of understanding of our view (straw man) and biblical death.
Why do you call yourself Catholic when you reject a basic Catholic teaching?
I am not in the habit of using Christian cliches about being saved, not do I scare children with the truth of hell.
There is judgment followed by destiny, a heaven to gain, a hell to shun. This is biblical whether you see it or not.
There you have said it.
You do not believe the soul of Jesus ceased until resurrection.
You think only His heart pump stopped working.
All the spiritualists believe like that.
They say one is still alive when they are dead.
Is Mary in Heaven or in the grave awaiting the resurrection along with all saints.
RCC spiritualism is your teacher.
LA
No, you are just incoherent.:hammer:
it is not a basic catholic teaching
doloresistere
New member
Is it a basic Catholic teaching to drive defensively and hold your baby back with your hand in the passenger seat? Just kidding :chuckle:
Really? Tell that to the pope.
I suppose you don't think the Mass or virgin birth are Catholic teachings either.
I agree, and the Bible says that the wages of sin is death. The Bible says that the judgment will result in either eternal life for the saved or death for those who will perish. "Whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."
Only life contains the possibility of eternity.
Death is the absence of possibility.
Right. People who are dead can't make any choices because they are dead. Death is also the absence of life.
timmy's still going on with this nonsense? :noway:
well, bless his silly little heart :thumb:
well, bless his silly little heart :thumb: