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IMJerusha

IMJerusha

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
That's a rather nasty comment! However, I'll let it slide,
and consider the source! Anyway, the ONLY works I'm
not crazy about, are the ones coming from someone
who believes they're helping themselves stay saved,
or somehow earning their salvation!
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You've never received nasty from me, Grosnick and you imagine nasty where there is none. How would you know the difference between someone helping themselves and the power of the Ruach leading someone in obedience?...can you see into their hearts? No, you can't, but you can imagine them helping themselves just as you imagine me being nasty and that's good enough, you'll let reality slide.
 
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godrulz said:
Believers have no problem with this, but there is a conditional vs unconditional aspect (vs universalism/OSAS). Accepting the possibility of apostasy because Scripture teaches it does not undermine assurance of believers who know and love Jesus to the end.

Your problem is that you condone Christian Atheists, a mythical creature (or you are forced to adopt an indefensible loop hole that they had fake faith and were never saved...even Calvin had to resort to this nonsense...God deluded them into thinking they were elect, but then threw them in the fire because their apostasy supposedly showed it was a God-sham all along).
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You have no TRUE discernment of spiritual matters! You're
lost in a foggy area of your imagination and can't see any
truth before you!
 
IMJerusha

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
IMJ says; (so eloquently I might add) "OSAS means the denial of scads of God's words.

GM says; (However, not as eloquent as Imj) "One can only surmise there is no OSAS if
they're able to misinterpret, those same words!"
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Do tell how one misinterprets "My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one." or "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one."
 
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IMJerusha said:
You've never received nasty from me, Grosnick and you imagine nasty where there is none. And how would you know the difference between someone helping themselves and the power of the Ruach leading someone in obedience?...can you see into their hearts? No, you can't, but you can imagine them helping themselves just as you imagine me being nasty and that's good enough, you'll let the truth slide.
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Come on now, you're in denial! There's times when you've baked a bitter pie and served it to those you don't agree with! Glorydaz, comes to mind!
 
StanJ53

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Grosnick Marowbe said:
The truth of OSAS is in the Scriptures. However, you totally deny
that truth!
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Then why are we warned to stay the course?
Why are we warned to not shrink back?
Why are we warned to make sure we produce good fruit?

None of this would be required IF OSAS was a reality.

Things Children of God Can Do:
1. Fall from grace - Gal. 5:1-4,13
2. Be led away with error - 2 Pet. 3:17
3. Err from the truth - James 5:19-20
4. Weak brother may perish - 1 Cor. 8:11
5. Fall into condemnation - James 5:12
6. Be moved away from the hope - Col. 1:21-23
7. Deny the Lord who bought them - 2 Pet. 2:1
8. Depart from the living God - Heb. 3:12
9. Can be a castaway - 1 Cor. 9:27
10. Can become accursed children - 2 Pet. 2:14

What about Rev 2:4-5, 3:5 & 16-17?




 
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Stan says; "Then why are we warned to stay the course?
Why are we warned to not shrink back?
Why are we warned to make sure we produce good fruit?
None of this would be required IF OSAS was a reality."

GM says;
Stan, it looks as if you are one of those who trust in Christ AND
yourself! That's what's behind your rationale in the end analysis!
 
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StanJ53

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Delmar said:
I don't think so. I just think he was stating the obvious, that voting for Obama is powerful evidence that a person was most likely never saved.
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Yeh well I would have voted for Obama if I was a U.S. citizen. Which just shows to go ya how perceptive Nick M is.....NOT!
 
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There's NO judgement awaiting the true believer, only the gain or
loss of rewards! Once one is, In Christ, they cannot lose what God
has made provision for!
 
StanJ53

StanJ53

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StanJ53 said:
Then why are we warned to stay the course?
Why are we warned to not shrink back?
Why are we warned to make sure we produce good fruit?

None of this would be required IF OSAS was a reality.

Stan, it looks as if you are one of those who trust in Christ AND
yourself! That's what's behind your rationale in the end analysis!
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Well thanks for picking my post apart GM, but no I practice my faith and obey God's Word.
What about all those scriptures I supplied you?
 
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