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chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

so what about the seven churches?

let's see what Victorinus has to say about them

who is Victorinus?

he wrote the earliest extant commentary of Revelation

so what did he say?

he talks about Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Thessalonians, Philippians, and Colossians

those are the churches Paul wrote to

that's right

what about the churches John wrote to?

Victorinus doesn't mention them

why wouldn't he mention them?

maybe his copy of Revelation didn't

this is interesting

ubetcha





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chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

does Eusebius mention the seven churches of Revelation?

not in his Church History but he does talk about Revelation

doesn't he mention some of the cities?

yes but he does not acknowledge that they were churches that John wrote to

why wouldn't he mention that?

maybe his copy of Revelation didn't

this is interesting

ubetcha





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chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

what about Tertullian?

he knows about the seven churches of Revelation

so his copy has them

that's right

do you think he had one of the ancient copies?

you must be referring to Irenaeus

that's right

I don't think the ancient copies had the seven churches

so Victorinus had an ancient copy?

I think so

this is interesting

ubetcha





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John 8[36]If therefore the Son shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37I know that ye are Abraham's seed: yet ye seek to kill me, because my word hath not free course in you. 38I speak the things which I have seen with my Father: and ye also do the things which ye heard from your father.
 

chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

so you think John the Baptist wrote the ancient copy of Revelation?

I am not the first to suggest that

who was?

Josephine Ford

that would explain why it does not include the seven churches

it also explains the reference to Lamb of God

John bore witness

so did the first John of Revelation

this is interesting

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chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

so you think John the Baptist wrote the ancient copy of Revelation?

and I knew Him not

I love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is John 1:31 KJV

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so John the Baptist didn't know Jesus until he baptized Him

that may be why you don't see the name of Jesus in chapters 4-11 of Revelation

John knew Him as the Lamb

right

this is interesting

ubetcha





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chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

does John the Baptist think this is a test?

ubetcha

based on what?

every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire

I love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is Matthew 3:10 KJV

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much







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chrysostom

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gather

gather

hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name


today is Sunday

we put away our differences

we give thanks
we give praise

we ask for forgiveness
we ask for guidance
we ask for help

we do it together




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chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

so you are a fan of John the Baptist?

ubetcha

based on what?

he was sent by God

to do what?

bear witness

that was long ago

we should be doing that now

what?

preparing the way

how do you do that?

repent







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chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

so you are a fan of John the Baptist?

ubetcha

did he prepare the way?

only for those who had an ear

what did they hear?

the chaff He will burn with fire unquenchable.

I love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is Luke 3:17 KJV

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

is that what happens if you don't pass the test?

yes




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chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

so you are a fan of John the Baptist?

ubetcha

do you think there will be another John the Baptist?

to prepare the way for the second coming?

yes

interesting question

I think we need one

so do I




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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

so you are a fan of John the Baptist?

ubetcha

do you think there will be another John the Baptist?

to prepare the way for the second coming?

yes

interesting question

I think we need one

so do I

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1st John the Baptist: Malachi 3:1; Matt 11:13, 14

2nd time Malachi 4:5-6. Appeared to Joseph Smith.
There is yet another time.
 

chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

so you are a fan of John the Baptist?

ubetcha

why do you think he was the first author of Revelation?

he is the only one to use the word lamb in all four gospels

so?

the word lamb is found 25 times in Revelation

Jesus is also mentioned

only 12 times and that was added later by another John

so John the Baptist didn't know Jesus?

that is what the gospel says

but he did recognize the Lamb of God

right





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chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

so you are a fan of John the Baptist?

ubetcha

and you think the use of the word lamb points to him as the original author of Revelation?

at the time he wrote it he did not know Jesus as the Messiah

so who put the name Jesus in?

it could have been John the apostle

did he eat the book?

I think so

to prophesy again

that's what it says





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chrysostom

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hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name

so you are a fan of John the Baptist?

ubetcha

what else makes you think he is the original author of Revelation?

he bore witness to the word of God

he was sent to bear witness

that is in the gospel

I know

it is also in Revelation

and so it is





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chrysostom

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gather

gather

hallelujah brothers and sisters this is where we gather in His name


today is Sunday

we put away our differences

we give thanks
we give praise

we ask for forgiveness
we ask for guidance
we ask for help

we do it together




good night charity
 
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