Where has Noah’s deluge water gone?

I have done the maths to save you time, but if you wish to do it yourself then here are the basic facts for you to work out the volume of the biblical deluge water. Yes I know the biblical story was plagiarised from Tablet XI of the Babylonian translation of the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamish, which the Hebrew scribe exaggerated beyond madness, but there is no harm in doing a bit of maths for fun:

Earth’s mean diameter: 12,742 kms
Earth’s surface area: 510,064,472 square kms
Land mass area: 148,939,063 square kms
Land mean height: 840 metres.
Height of Mount Everest: 8,848 metres
Height of Mount Ararat: 5,160 metres.
Height of my bungalow: 7.5 metres
Height of land with all mountains squashed flat: 840 metres
Rainwater density: 1000 kg per cubic metre
Air density (at STP): 1.248 kg per cubic metre
Saturation point of air (at 100% RH): 4.84 grams of water vapour per cubic metre of dry air

If,, according to the Old Testament, “all the mountains were covered”:
Volume of water to cover Mount Everest: 4,394,212,229 cubic kilometres
(3.2 times more water than there is in all the oceans of the world)
Mass of air supporting Noah’s rain-cloud: 1,131,782,406,930,000,000 tons
Atmospheric pressure in Noah’s time: 1,414 tons per square inch

Or if only Mount Ararat was covered:
Volume of water to cover Mount Ararat: 2,634,064,905 cubic kilometres
(1.8 times more water than there is in all the oceans of the world)
Mass of air supporting Noah’s rain-cloud: 646,211,707,572,000,000 tons
Atmospheric pressure in Noah’s time: 807 tons per square inch

Or if the deluge water only covered the top of my bungalow:
Volume of water to cover my bungalow: 432,337,146 cubic kilometres
(22.4% more water than there is in all the oceans of the world)
Mass of air supporting Noah’s rain-cloud: 79,130,338,904,856,400,000 tons
Atmospheric pressure in Noah’s time: 98.9 tons per square inch

Or if the deluge water covered a dry land with all the mountains squashed flat:
Volume of water to cover a billiard ball Earth: 428,510,649 cubic kilometres
(22.1% more water than there is in all the oceans of the world)
Mass of air supporting Noah’s rain-cloud: 78,144,778,781,276,400,000 tons
Atmospheric pressure in Noah’s time: 97.3 tons per square inch

Please answer these simple questions, and no miracles please, because that would be childish:

1) Where has Noah’s deluge water gone?
2) How did Noah, and the rest of the animal kingdom, manage to stand an atmospheric pressure of: 1,414 or 807 or 98.9 or even 97.3 tons on every square inch of their bodies. For your information it is now merely 0.00656 tons per square inch, or, if you prefer, 14.7 pounds per square inch in Imperial Units. Oy Veigh

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I am sorry, Demon, but it is clear that those who plagiarised the story from tablet 11 of the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamish can't do arithmetic and don't have a clue about geology, biology, physics or marine engineering.

You will find lots of contributions on this subject elsewhere on this forum.

Stripe said it went to the moon. Or something.

Then you might as well ask, "where did the Garden of Eden go after the flood" taking into consideration that when GOD creates something it cant be destroyed.

I will take a look into the flood waters some more
Blessings

Zed Bee said:

I am sorry, Demon, but it is clear that those who plagiarised the story from tablet 11 of the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamish can't do arithmetic and don't have a clue about geology, biology, physics or marine engineering.

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At least Noah's Ark wasn't a giant cube. How'd you like trying to ride out the floodwaters on that?

The water went into a series of great big holes in the Earth.

Where has Noah’s deluge water gone?

Zed Bee said:

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Please answer these simple questions, and no miracles please, because that would be childish:

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No, it's childish to begin a discussion of an event that could only be described as or occur by way of the miraculous and then suggest the end game fit neatly within the natural order.

Next up: explain the resurrection and ascension sans miracles. lain:

The plot is lost when a tale needs a string of miracles to justify it, for as Cicero said, "There are no miracles, what is impossible to happen never happened, and what is possible to happen is not a miracle".

In the original epic a man rescued his family and what he had of domestic animals on a barge during a local flood. The story teller either exaggerated the height of the square barge or the dimensions were confused in translation (since we only have fragments of the original Sumerian story, the complete story is an Akkadian translation) but what is vital to understand is that no miracles are required to make the actual event fit the story.

In the biblical version the plagiariser had the audacity to make the ark a matchbox the size of the Titanic, rescued 4 billion species from all over the globe and made the story require a minimum of fifty major miracles with thousands of minor miracles embedded in the major fifty.

The long and short of it is that there never was, nor can ever be a universal flood which covers all the mountains. There simply is not enough water on Earth for that, not even if the mountains were no higher than molehills.

However, in about 3050 BC the Euphrates broke its bank some 15 kilometres north of the town of Shurrupak in the flat countryside of southern Mesopotamia. The mud-brick homes of thousands of Aryan Sumerians in Shurrupak and other towns such as Larak, Nun, Badtabira, and villages farther south were swept away. It was such a catastrophe for the Sumerians that proper rulership in the land did not return until 2850 BC in Ur, and 2750 BC in Kish and Uruk.

What most people don’t realise is that the great Euphrates deposits huge amounts of alluvial mud and clay on its base and sides which, over many decades, elevate the river-floor above the surrounding flat countryside. Therefore, unlike the Thames or the Trent which spill their excess water during a flood, when the Euphrates breaks its bank the entire river empties, sweeping everything away in its path.

A citizen of Shurrupak called Ziusudra, “the man who saw all” (sha nagba imuru) was fortunate in having a magurgur (a barge or large boat) which was handy for saving himself, his family, and what he had of domestic animals. The barge floated southward and eventually reached the island of Dilmun (Bahrain) in the Persian Gulf, where Ziusudra and his family settled.

In about 2620 BC, a scribe in the city of Uruk wrote an epic on twelve tablets about the heroic exploits of king Gilgamish, the fifth king of the first dynasty of Uruk. On tablet 11, the scribe embellished the epic by adding that the king had sailed south to meet Ziusudra who told the king the story of the great flood.

The epic was held in such great esteem that it was not only translated into the Semitic Babylonian and Assyrian languages, but was being recited annually in Babylon as late as the sixth century BC.

In 587 BC king Nebu-kudduri-ussur II (Nebukhednesser) captured Judah, sacked Jerusalem, and took some 400 Israelites back with him, housing them in mud huts some three kilometres north of Babylon. One of the exiles was a scribe called Ezra, who duly added the Sumerian flood story to the book of Genesis.

Babylon at the time of Ezra was the centre of culture of the ancient world. Indeed, several scribes and rabbis and their descendants chose to remain in Babylon where they established a Jewish academy, rather than return to Palestine even after they were liberated by the Persians under Qurush II (Cyrus) in 539 BC.

By the time the Gilgamish Epic was discovered and translated in 1871 by George Smith of the British Museum, the only story known in the West about that flood was the version in the Old Testament, exaggerated beyond sanity, and even the name and ethnicity of the hero changed from Aryan to Semitic.

It pains me to see that even after 141 years since the discovery and translation of the original flood story, there are still far too many people in the world who cling to the plagiarised version, rather than appreciate the original story, trusting in mystery rather than history.

Gravity is not miraculous, TH.

Zed Bee said:

The long and short of it is that there never was, nor can ever be a universal flood which covers all the mountains. There simply is not enough water on Earth for that, not even if the mountains were no higher than molehills.

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If the Earth were made perfectly spherical, its water would be around 2kms deep atop the lowered continents and raised seabeds.

Zed Bee said:

The plot is lost when a tale needs a string of miracles to justify it, for as Cicero said, "There are no miracles, what is impossible to happen never happened, and what is possible to happen is not a miracle".

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If saying a thing makes it true than Cicero is no more the arbiter of truth than a stump preacher. The same holds true for your notion that what can only be described as a miraculous event shouldn't subsequently behave as though it weren't a departure from the natural order.

In the original epic a man rescued his family and what he had of domestic animals on a barge during a local flood. The story teller exaggerated the size of the barge but no miracles are required to make the actual event fit the story.

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You need to decide what you're after here. Are you launching a Bible as plagiarized myth or are you still looking for a natural explanation for the miraculous? lain:

The long and short of it is that there never was, nor can ever be a universal flood which covers all the mountains.

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Naturally? Of course not. And it's never described as a natural event.

Damned if I can understand why anyone in the 21st century AD wishes to invent preposterous geology to rescue a biblical tale plagiarised in the 6th century BC, in a book full of outrageous lies and concoctions. To understand the story of the Sumerian flood, one plagiarised fairytale is not sufficient, a serious researcher would consult the following, including the bible:

The Old Testament – in Hebrew
The Old Testament – King James Version
Enuma Elish (The Babylonian Genesis) – in cuneiform
Enuma Elish (The Babylonian Genesis) – translated by Heidel
The Gilgamish Epic – by Westwood
Epic of Gilgamish and other Old Testament Parallels –by Heidel
Creation, the Flood and Gilgamish – by Dalley
Ancient Near East (2 volumes) – by Pritchard
The Greatness that was Babylon – by Saggs
The Might that was Assyria – by Saggs
Archaeology of Mesopotamia – by Lloyd
Babylonian Life and History – by Budge
Middle Eastern Mythology – by Hooke
From Sumer to Jerusalem – by Sassoon
The Cradle of Civilisation – by Kramer
The First Civilisations – by Daniel
Atlas of World History – by Harper-Collins
History begins at Sumer – by Kramer
History of the World – by Chancellor
History of the World – by Roberts
World History – by Castleden
World History – by Hutchinson
The Loom of History – by Muller
History of the Gods – by Damalouji
Digging up the past – by Woolley
The Land of Shinar – by Cotterell
Excavations at Ur – by Woolley
The First Empires – by Postgate
The Land of Ur – by Bauman
The Sumerians – by Lansing
Ancient Iraq – by Roux
Archaeology – by Cotterell
Babylon – by Oates
And others…

Town Heretic said:

Naturally? Of course not. And it's never described as a natural event.

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Flooding the entire planet is perfectly within the realms of natural processes. Just let erosion continue its work and we'll see it for a third time.

But it was only through God's intervention that mankind survived the second instance.

Are we supposed to take the comment that it is "perfectly within the realm of natural processes" seriously? If we are, then bang goes god's multiple miracles. In the name of sanity, why all the mental gymnastics? For goodness sake the biblical story teller copied an ancient tale and lied in his teeth about it. Why waste time and effort trying to rescue him with preposterous inventions?

Zed Bee said:

Are we supposed to take the comment that it is "perfectly within the realm of natural processes" seriously? If we are, then bang goes god's multiple miracles. In the name of sanity, why all the mental gymnastics? For goodness sake the biblical story teller copied an ancient tale and lied in his teeth about it. Why waste time and effort trying to rescue him with preposterous inventions?

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Who are you? :idunno:

Zed Bee said:

I have done the maths to save you time

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Math doesn't work if you start with the wrong amount.

If,, according to the Old Testament, “all the mountains were covered”:
Volume of water to cover Mount Everest: 4,394,212,229 cubic kilometres
(3.2 times more water than there is in all the oceans of the world)
Mass of air supporting Noah’s rain-cloud:

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What makes you think Everest was 29,000 feet high then? It was formed from the flood. It was pushed up. Duh. This looks like a lot of water to me.

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Stripe said:

Flooding the entire planet is perfectly within the realms of natural processes. Just let erosion continue its work and we'll see it for a third time.

But it was only through God's intervention that mankind survived the second instance.

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I'm saying that it didn't just happen--that God was the direct cause and not a natural process that He coat tailed.

Zed Bee said:

It pains me to see that even after 141 years since the discovery and translation of the original flood story, there are still far too many people in the world who cling to the plagiarised version, rather than appreciate the original story, trusting in mystery rather than history.

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What makes you think that version is the original? Nearly every culture on Earth has a flood legend. There are hundreds of these stories floating around out there.

Town Heretic said:

I'm saying that it didn't just happen--that God was the direct cause and not a natural process that He coat tailed.

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Hmmm .. God shut in the water so it would eventually explode. The miraculous was involved explicitly as well. God brought the animals and shut the door. But for response to ZedB, simple physics suffices.

One Eyed Jack said:

What makes you think that version is the original? Nearly every culture on Earth has a flood legend. There are hundreds of these stories floating around out there.

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Of course they use the most forgiving analysis to date the non-biblical texts as old as possible and the most ungracious to date the bible young.