Personhood USA Questions Ron Paul's Commitment

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Personhood USA Questions Ron Paul's Commitment

This is the show from Tuesday, December 27th 2011.

SUMMARY:

* Paul Pledge Prevarication? Listen in to hear Bob and co-host Doug McBurney discuss the latest news regarding Ron Paul's signature, and simultaneous contradiction of Personhood USA's Presidential Personhood Pledge. Doug points out some problems he's got with Paul, & Bob talks about why libertarianism is contradictory to Godliness. And Doug offers Genesis 1 in opposition to the libertarian idea that facts and knowledge are the only things necessary to make good decisions.

* Bob Disses Li'l Wayne: After hearing a story about Li'l Wayne visiting the Mall of America and the resulting mayhem and violence, Bob asks the obvious question on the minds of all loyal KGOV listeners: "Who's Li'l Wayne?"

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I just wrote the following in the Ron Paul thread:

"I see that 5 GOP candidates have signed the Personhood Pledge, including Ron Paul. Even though that really ticked off his Libertarian base (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/12...-or-a-liberal/) he had to throw in the "states rights" issue to keep his homosexual, recreational drug user, pornography and prostitution base happy.

Note the words I underlined in this Dec. 19, 2011 statement by Paul:

"As President, I will sign and aggressively advocate for a law that removes abortion from the jurisdiction of the federal courts. This approach, done by simple majority vote and stroke of my Presidential Pen, would effectively overturn Roe v. Wade and allow states to pass strong pro-life legislation immediately. Millions of lives would be saved by this approach while we fight to make every state a right to life state."
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/RonPaul.pdf

Shouldn't the word "allow" be replaced with "require" Ralphie?

Shouldn't the phrase "we fight to make every state a right to life state" be replaced with "under my adminstration the states will not have the option of allowing abortion"?

As I've noticed for sometime now, Ron Paul is trying to play both sides of the fence. As the "addictinginfo" link showed, Libertarians are getting fed up with him. As this Personhood Pledge link shows, pro lifers are questioning Ron Paul and his supposed pro-life stance as well:

"Ron Paul Signs Personhood Pledge; Personhood USA Questions Commitment"
http://www.personhoodusa.com/press-r...ons-commitment
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2896463&postcount=135
 
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Who cares? Romney will be the nominee. Paul has some interesting ideas but is really an early 1900's isolationist and the world is simply too interconnected to buy into that. If the economy comes back as it seems it will (and that is a big, big "seems") Obama will survive.
It will be more interesting when Rand Paul runs in a few years. Another nut job but smoother.

Finally, an embryo is not a person. Get over it.
 
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Jukia said:
when does the mind develop after conception? right away? just one or 2 cells?
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The mind is fully developed at conception. The mind is not the brain. The mind is related to the spirit. The spirit of the child is fully intact at conception.
 
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Quote:
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Jukia:

I'll take the mind of an undeveloped baby in the womb over an atheist's any day.

Jukia said:
when does the mind develop after conception? right away? just one or 2 cells?
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This beautiful little boy's mind will never fully develop, but that doesn't give you the right to murder him Adolf.

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aCultureWarrior said:
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
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I'll take the mind of an undeveloped baby in the womb over an atheist's any day.



This beautiful little boy's mind will never fully develop, but that doesn't give you the right to murder him Adolf.

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That is not an answer to the question I raised. When does the mind develop? Immediately at conception? 2 cells, blastula? When.

Showing a Down's kid just means you are unwilling or unable to answer the question in any cogent manner. And my name is not Adolf, grow up.
 
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Jukia said:
That is not an answer to the question I raised. When does the mind develop? Immediately at conception? 2 cells, blastula? When.

Showing a Down's kid just means you are unwilling or unable to answer the question in any cogent manner. And my name is not Adolf, grow up.
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It doesn't matter when the mind develops in an unborn child.

The fact of the matter is that you're using a surgical procedure to terminate the life of a person in the womb, who will eventually (if murderers like you will allow them to) be the same person, but further developed and living outside of the womb.

Why is that so difficult for people like you to understand?
 
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aCultureWarrior said:
It doesn't matter when the mind develops in an unborn child.

The fact of the matter is that you're using a surgical procedure to terminate the life of a person in the womb, who will eventually (if murderers like you will allow them to) be the same person, but further developed and living outside of the womb.

Why is that so difficult for people like you to understand?
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Atheists love to talk about the non-physical and unmeasurable when it comes to defending their right to murder children in the womb. Never mind their usual insistence that evidence be provided for belief in the supernatural by Christians - somehow when they want a supernatural concept to base their beliefs upon, anything goes.

This on top of the fact that Jokia is one of the stupidest people on TOL.
 
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The mind is fully developed at conception. The mind is not the brain. The mind is related to the spirit. The spirit of the child is fully intact at conception.
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Where is there evidence for this, scriptural or otherwise?
 
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Stripe said:
Atheists love to talk about the non-physical and unmeasurable when it comes to defending their right to murder children in the womb. Never mind their usual insistence that evidence be provided for belief in the supernatural by Christians - somehow when they want a supernatural concept to base their beliefs upon, anything goes.

This on top of the fact that Jokia is one of the stupidest people on TOL.
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But at least I do not think that Walt Brown's theory is based on any real world science. So there.
 
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:darwinsm: Jokia admits he is the stupidest person on TOL.

Of what value is your opinion? You haven't read a single word on Dr. Brown's website where you can find regular updates to his entire book, "In The Beginning".
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Ah, but I have. I must admit that I cannot choke down all of his nonsense but I understand the basics. Still waiting for an answer as to what he does with all that heat energy from the billions of H-bombs. Other than that it is a wonderful fantasy. Would make a good animated movie---oh wait, I think he has one---must be accurate then.

And then, theologically, doesn't this get rid of the whole issue of sin entering the world because of Adam? If your god made the earth in such a way that all the tidal energy would eventually cause the crust to rupture and cause the flood, why was he so upset about the sin he saw? He set us up so that all but a few humans---includling little babies, fetuses (fetii?) in utero (how does that square with the anti-choice crowd---ah, I forgot, it is OK if your god crushes his creation in a terrible manner, we are just his pawns) would drown. What a nice god you have there. Or does Dr. Brown suggest that your god made the subterranean water filled caverns after Eden?

Edit: My notes, from reading portions of Dr. Brown's book is that he suggests that the fountains of the deep erupted when the equivilent of 1,800 trillion 1 megaton bombs went off along the 46,000 mile mid ocean ridge. Stripey, are my number wrong? If so please provide the correct numbers and references to Dr. Brown's latest iteration of his book. thanks ever so.
 
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Jukia said:
That is not an answer to the question I raised. When does the mind develop? Immediately at conception? 2 cells, blastula? When.

Showing a Down's kid just means you are unwilling or unable to answer the question in any cogent manner. And my name is not Adolf, grow up.
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...although that is Bob Enyart's middle name. (With the "PH" variant.)

Cannibalism is always a sign of a movement's poor judgment, and these attacks on Paul just demonstrate the short-sightedness, immaturity, and preference for bickering that's bogged down the entire pro-life movement as a whole for at least a decade.
 
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Jukia said:
Ah, but I have. I must admit that I cannot choke down all of his nonsense but I understand the basics. Still waiting for an answer as to what he does with all that heat energy from the billions of H-bombs. Other than that it is a wonderful fantasy. Would make a good animated movie---oh wait, I think he has one---must be accurate then.
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See?

Try engaging rationally and without all the stupidity and you might find reasons that we can discuss - a nice sciency discussion. :thumb:

And then, theologically, doesn't this get rid of the whole issue of sin entering the world because of Adam? If your god made the earth in such a way that all the tidal energy would eventually cause the crust to rupture and cause the flood, why was he so upset about the sin he saw?He set us up so that all but a few humans---includling little babies, fetuses (fetii?) in utero (how does that square with the anti-choice crowd---ah, I forgot, it is OK if your god crushes his creation in a terrible manner, we are just his pawns) would drown. What a nice god you have there. Or does Dr. Brown suggest that your god made the subterranean water filled caverns after Eden?
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Try understanding what God created before running down the irrational path of "I don't like what God did therefore He didn't do it."

Edit: My notes, from reading portions of Dr. Brown's book is that he suggests that the fountains of the deep erupted when the equivilent of 1,800 trillion 1 megaton bombs went off along the 46,000 mile mid ocean ridge. Stripey, are my number wrong? If so please provide the correct numbers and references to Dr. Brown's latest iteration of his book. thanks ever so.
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You're welcome. :)
 
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