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    I prefer to think of Christians as like Noah. Go out and invite everyone onto the boat. It's up to them whether or not they get on.


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    Originally posted by csmuda

    You go geralduk.
    so much division seen in the Christianity of the world. so many denominations and divisions. yet in the church epistles we are strongly asked to think one thing and be of one mind. So all the 1000+ denominations might think that they, and they alone, hold the key to "the whole truth" or the like. so many fundamentalists get their flock all hepped up on their own little slant without any shred of church history. How many of us are versed in the main reason for Luther and Calvin's disagreement?

    A whole understanding of the history of christian eschatology will force the student to acknowledge that "rapture" is only 160 years old compared to 2000 years of church thought. Granted the many a-sides in the Faith had many people waiting on some hill top for the event and nothing happened.

    I've never ever understood why in Christianity I have to choose between my brain and my heart.

    the danger of dispensationalism is the Christian doesn't care about the world around her. why should she? it's hopeless. When I was excited about all this I was even more excited about learning how brothers-and-sisters thought about these things in the different centuries.

    300 hundred years ago Christians in america really really thought that america was central to God's plans. They thought that from America the Word would sound out over the planet and the spread of God's Kingdom would move out and make the world new again. They were as passionate as present day dispensationalists. How can truth evolve like that? Only by not looking at it can we pretend this reinvention is not so. That's the danger: ignorance and passion mixed.
    The birth of the church was b rought into being at its BAPTISM of the HOLY GHOST.
    it then sprung up and then was persecuted then blessed by the world and evntualy that seed fell into the ground and died.
    Alebit there was a REMNANT left as a witness.
    Untill the reformation that "seed" laid dormant.
    Then in die time the light dawned on a greman monk that the "just hsall live by faith"
    It was not a new thing but an old truth revitalised by the HOLY SPIRIT.
    That new shoot had still earth clinging to it.
    so to did LUTHOR.
    But when God sought to go " a little further"
    Those having got THAT revalation though it was ALL the revaltion.
    and so built thier wall around it .
    Calvin got more but when God moved on many didnt.
    BAPTISTS got more light but they too stayed when God moved on.
    Weslyians then broiught more light for the 'present' church had the Lord OUTSIDE the door trying to get in.
    But trhere too in time God moved and they stayed.
    and so on and so on.
    pentecsostals also got light but have made thier 'light' the be all and end all.
    Evangelicals also.
    Each 'defending' thier 'patch' but forgetting that it is GOD who is the HEAD and they are but MEMBERS.
    and that EACH PART is but that a PART of the WHOLE.
    wE ARE OF COURSE TALKING ABOUT THOSE "SOUND DCOTRINS" of scripture.
    But even as it was the HOLY SPIRIT who had QUICKNED to them and enlightened them concerning the Word.
    and had in the time it was given ENABLED them to preach it against all oposition.
    So now in the main they DENY Him in truth for they boast in the scriuptures and thier doctrins.
    But have forgotten of whom they SPEAK of.
    Thus while each denomination will not acknowldge the truth as to thier need of Him and are willing to open the door to Him.
    They are growing CORRUPT and death is slowly creaping in even as the world is.
    The church is in a BAD WAY and judgement is hovering over it even as it was over ISREAL.
    For in its own eyes "it has need of nothing"
    But in Gods.........


    The WHOLE truth is in "(listen) ALL the scriptures which were given for............."
    The question is will the church swallow the WHOLE pill OR ONLY THOSE BITS WHICH 'fit' ITS 'SCHOOL' OF THEOLOGY.

    It matters not that the 'rapture' is only (so it is thought) 160 years old.
    According to THAT reasoning LUTHOR was wrong and ROME was right!
    The TRUTH "liveth and abideth forver"
    Just because men hjave not 'seen' it "untill now" does not mean it has no validity.
    That mystery that Paul preached that was 'hiddeen' untill now.
    is CLEARLY seen (now) in ALL the scriptures!
    yet was hidden for 4000 years!
    are we then to dismiss that truth just because PAUL first understood the mystery?
    and not THOSE OF LONG AGO?
    The 'rapture' or more accurately the "TRANSLATION"(SEE ENOCH)
    is provable or tested by the scriptures.
    Not so much by 'proof texts' for the scripturs do not encourage such things but rather by BIBLICAL 'arguement' (see the leters of hebrews and romans.)
    You may have a text that 'CLEARLY states a doctrin.
    nevertheless to 'prove it needs more than one or two texts.
    but ALL the scriptures.
    For even as one swallow does not make a summer,neither does one text make a doctrin.


    Nowhere does the scriptures say you should throw away your brain.
    It DOES say that you must bring your thoughts into CONFORMITY with the scriuptures.
    For they have thier OWN logic and REASONING and the HOLY BIBLE HAS ITS OWN INTEGRITY.
    How can it not be seeing that it is the WORD OF GOD.
    wHOS THOUGHTS are higher than our thoughts and whos ways are not our ways.
    Thus we must learn to bring our thinkign and experirence into line with the SCRIPTURES.
    Not as so many are doing bringing the scrptures into line with thier own experience and reasoning.
    Thus God means to RECONCILE the HEART and the BRAIN so that they are in COMPLETE and perfect harmony and WITH HIM.

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    geralduk,
    if we had met in 1987 I would be on the same page with you. But this is 2004 and I am unmoved by your apologetic. You're best reasoning here will continue into the next century and Christianity will continue to evolve. Pitty I won't be around to watch it, unless they find a cure for aging. The Lord willing He might allow me another forty years. But what would be great is to see a snap-shot of our Faith in the year 2104.
    Blessings to you dude,
    sincerely,
    Carl
    shall I sin so grace may abound?

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    I make no apologies.
    But I will continue to contend for THE faith that was once and for all delivered unto the saints.
    The Lord is coming VERY soon "be ye also ready"

    aNOTHER THOUGHT..

    God is NOT an evolving God.
    Yet there is a progresive program of God.
    There is in ther main a "great falling away" and many no longer can endure" sound doctrin"
    This too was spoken of long ago by the prophets and is but anither sign of the LORDS SOON RETURN.
    "For when we see these things we are to look up for our redemption draweth nigh."
    Therefore id urge you to go back to what is written and spoekn of by God and NOT men.
    Last edited by geralduk; September 2nd, 2004 at 06:54 PM.

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    Originally posted by lighthouse

    Falwell is a tool of Satan.
    Why do you say that? Or was that supposed to be another "joke?"
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    Re: Re: King David in hell?

    Originally posted by lighthouse

    Enyart believes that King Solomon is in hell?
    Why would he not be in hell? After his writings in Proverbs he completely rejected God. The book of Ecclesiastes is the ramblings of a man who has gone off the deep end. You don't actually take the writings of Ecclesiastes to heart do you?
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    Originally posted by csmuda
    . . . the very attitude that the world is going to hell in a handbasket still means in the dispy's heart-of-heart she doesn't think there is any hope of seeing Christ's church reign on earth.
    That's not true. Dispensationalism teaches that the world will go to hell in a handbasket before the Second Coming but it does not teach the world will go to hell in a handbasket before the rapture.

    Don't the MM really wanna just set up a refuge from the "coming storm" if you will?
    I believe most of the "Operation Rescue" people who got thrown in jail were dispensationalists. That doesn't sound like they had a "Meet, Eat and Retreat" attitude.
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    Jefferson-
    No, it was not a joke. Falwell is a bigot, not a minister.

    Give me a set of scripture from Ecclesiastes and I'll look it up. And it is a very high probability that Solomon was reconciled.


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    Originally posted by lighthouse

    Jefferson-
    No, it was not a joke. Falwell is a bigot, not a minister.
    What evidence do you have that Falwell is a bigot?
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    Lets see:
    He automatically blamed homosexuals, and a few other groups, for the attacks on September 11th...and he didn't even include Muslims, though the terrorists ascribed to the religion. That's bigotry.


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    Originally posted by lighthouse

    Lets see:
    He automatically blamed homosexuals, and a few other groups, for the attacks on September 11th...and he didn't even include Muslims, though the terrorists ascribed to the religion. That's bigotry.
    This is what he said, "I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist, [but America's] secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture ... the result is not good."

    What's so bigoted about that?
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    That's after he retracted his original statement, isn't it?


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    Originally posted by lighthouse

    That's after he retracted his original statement, isn't it?
    Please quote his original statement that shows he's a bigot.
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    I can't do it verbatim. I'd have to look it up, or ask someone who watches that snoozefest, The 700 Club.


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    Originally posted by lighthouse

    I can't do it verbatim. I'd have to look it up, or ask someone who watches that snoozefest, The 700 Club.
    So go ahead and look it up. I think you either need to prove your accusation with a direct quote or retract your accusation on this thread.
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