Another homo marriage activist found to be a pedo
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Arthur Brain
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What actual difference does it make to you whether other people hold the same religious conviction as you do where it comes to homosexuality? I'll bite just to see where you're actually heading with this and whether you're going to predictably make it a religious rabbit trail as oppose to the political and criminal aspects of the topic. I don't see homosexuality in itself as a sin. I do see child abuse as a crime no matter who is perpetrating it.
Lon
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No, none of this. It is just you being outraged and imho, for no good reason and none of it carrying the thread.
Lon
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You have to realize you express your shallow two-dimensional thinking. I'm a bigot because the 'bully' pulled a knife on me and tried to rape me. I've been inappropriately propositioned when sex was the last thing on a young kids mind. THAT is what causes bigotry.
For whatever reason, you weren't their target. Go figure you'd blame those who were. Again, your pop psychology ONLY applies to you.
And here I thought it was because every one I'd ever met was older and making advances toward a child :dizzy:
Your pop psych is horribly inaccurate. Some? Yeah but to whitewash the whole? :nono: it is injustice.
Cruciform told TOL that it was the homosexual priests that were allowed in much as society is doing now. These were the ones that had been molesting children. Now, as policy, the RC no longer allows homosexual priests. It cost them a lot giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Its a good thing it isn't rocket-science but it might as well be for you. You can't do it. This is a erroneous blanketed statement.
Bigotry is applying experience to all people in that group. You should own the idea that you are a bigot against conservative fundamental Christians. I am not afraid of or hate homosexuals. I am not afraid of or hate adulterers. I am not afraid of, nor hate gluttons.
Some people sure hate Christians because you think we 'hate or are afraid of' homosexuals. Some people will hate the sinner here on TOL. I think I've a few reasons to do so, but I don't.
:up: Your whole post. You think we're "just being mean."
From my experience? They all were. That's not bigotry. I expect there may be homosexuals that aren't. Do I have any experience with that? :nono: A good many of the rest of us heterosexuals in high school weren't even hetero at that point.
kiwimacahau
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Homosexuality is not a sin.
Lon
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:dizzy:
"'OM...' is not a sin."
"Thievery is not a sin."
Lying is not a sin.
"Having other gods is not a sin."
"Simply 'wanting' what another has (coveting) is not a sin."
"Saying something false about another person is not a sin."
"Adultery is not a sin."
"Fornication is not a sin."
"Relations with animals is not a sin."
"Pedophilia is not a sin."
"Using other people for your own desires is not a sin."
"Disobeying your parents is not a sin."
"Dishonoring your parents is not a sin."
"Divorce is not a sin."
"Disagreeing with God is not a sin."
"They guy who pulled a knife on me wasn't sinning."
"Older men propositioning me as a child was not a sin."
"Older men propositioning me as a young adult was not a sin."
:dizzy:
Matthew 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a [man or] woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
kiwimacahau
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kiwimacahau
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The Bible tells me it is.
Lon
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Our habitual sins very much become multiple. When we harm ourselves and others, we are dishonoring and disobeying our parents, we make excusing behavior that blasphemes God and His Holy Name, we covet and live according to the flesh, etc. It is the job of pastors to help people live on a spiritual plain and walk with their God. Making provisions for the flesh is exactly opposite of a pastor's call and he/she would no longer be God's servant, but a servant of people and the flesh.
PureX
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My dad grew up in Cleveland, in neighborhoods where black people lived. As a result he also grew up being very racist, because he was so often mistreated by the black kids he encountered, there.
As a man, however, he eventually came to realize that his experiences were isolated, and had specific causes, and that not all black people were like the black kids he grew up with.
Maybe it's time for you to grow up, too. And realize that your mistreatment as a child by a couple of pedophiles that you presumed to be homosexual, does not condemn all homosexual men as pedophiles.
Bigotry is still bigotry whether you were victimized as a child or not. Grow up, Lon, and stop using your victimization to victimize others. Because that's what your bigotry does.
I have a friend who was sexually abused by a priest when he was a kid. Now he hates Catholicism, and all priests. But he wasn't victimized by Catholicism, nor by all priests. So his hatred is unfounded. And his victimization does not justify it even if it does explain it. Part of being an adult is taking responsibility for these feelings and dealing with them properly, so that we don't become abusers, ourselves, from the anger and resentment we feel about these past abuses.
Everyone you met did not make such advances. Your reason and memory are being clouded by your unresolved resentment of those few. Maybe it's time for you to forgive those people, instead of wallowing in your resentment and loathing of them the rest of your life. And hating people you don't even know, because of it.
The world is fill of injustice. And your hatred of all homosexuals because you encountered a couple of pedophiles as a child is only adding to it.
Pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality. If it did, no priest would have assaulted the girls. And yet girls were assaulted, too. Boys, mores, because priests had access to boys more often.
Pedophiles are aroused by children's innocence and vulnerability, not by their specific sex. They will prey on children of either sex, depending on access. The priesthood was a good place for pedophiles to hide because they had access to children, usually boys, with little suspicion. It had nothing to do with them being gay. Most pedophiles are not homosexual.
You think homosexuals are pedophiles. And they are not. You think this because you think the pedophiles that harassed you were homosexual. You are using your personal experience with a couple of presumed homosexuals to condemn all homosexuals as pedophiles.
That's bigotry. And it has nothing to do with conservative Christianity, except that conservative Christianity provides a good cover and excuse for you to imagine that your bigotry is justified. As it does for many other bigots.
You need to forgive what happened to you so you can finally stop playing the victim, like this. It's unbecoming for a grown man to be whining about how everyone "hates him for being a Christian".
Grow up. Be a Christian. And forgive those old trespasses against you. You'll be a better man for it.
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Lon
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:yawn: Thank you Mr. Arm-chair psych
lain: Time for your lesson. You are nobody's guru. You are opinionated and your opinion is most often shallow or altogether wrong. One or the other.
Not only do I reject your armchair trash, I've already told you I'm not a hater.
Your arm-chair psychology is childish AND you don't listen very well. I already told you I've gotten to the other end of this issue.
Attempted amateur counseling atf is daft.
lain: Yeah, that's why the RC no longer allows the former... You are a shallow and biased man and easily duped by media and ad hoc movements. Good company for the mindless drones though.You realize NAMBLA is yet associated with them? Still listed with them in a good many endeavors? No? Thought not.
:nono: Nice arm-chair try.
Sure, lets let all the thieves out of prison too :dizzy: You are a goofy man trying too hard to do what you are not qualified to do. You should stop, but you won't. When you read your Bible regularly and understand it, come back and talk to me. Until then, you will remain the ad hoc consistently wrong amateur you've always been.
In a nutshell: I've already told you a bunch of what you've 'tried' to counsel me on. You are a horrible listener and your advice is useless and pointless. You have a horrible bias and obtrusion that comes out in your every conversation.
PureX
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You're welcome.
Well, that's how you would see it if I were right, and you just didn't want to face up to it. And since it was you that felt the need to interject yourself into this discussion, I think that's the more likely option. Thou dost protest a little too loudly.
Bigotry is a form of hate, because it slanders and belittles it's targets. If you don't hate or loathe homosexuals, why are you slandering them in your heart and mind with lies about how they're all pedophiles?
Then why are you still using it to justify your bigotry? You're claims of having gotten past it ring hollow in the face of your obvious bias and loathing.
And you are looking for excuses to blame me, or Catholics, or whomever, so you won't have to face your own unresolved resentment and bigotry.
More bigoted lies and slander from "conservative Christians". As the bile just keeps on oozing out of that festering wound that you claim has healed.
Lon
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I didn't. You don't listen well and are in love with your own voice.
Ad hoc inept assumptions are like that...
lain:Wow. Just wow. Somebody is definitely a bigot against Christian though. So you aren't as well read. No reason to flame out on me. I read a couple of articles in the Advocate that still lists them as associate and with their citations. They still wave banners at the parades, etc.
The only thing I have is a bible for authority. You?