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    Originally posted by Tatie

    So sometimes the Lord doesn't take the demons away?
    Sometimes He uses them, like in Paul's case.
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    Originally posted by Yorzhik


    Sometimes a sickness is just a sickness.
    I agree but sometimes it a demon...

    On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, and a woman was there who had been crippled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not straighten up at all. When Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her, "Woman, you are set free from your infirmity." Then he put his hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and praised God.
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    Originally posted by firechyld

    Intriguing...

    So... if illness occurs because of sin, where did micro-organisms come from? Did "God" create them when he created all other life? Did they pop into existance when Eve bit the apple?

    Considering that not all micro-organisms are harmful, it's possible that only beneficial micro-organisms existed prior to the fall. But through the course of all things afterward, some became harmful. After all, it is also believed that there were no carnivorous animals until after the flood.

    Just a theory, though.
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Why do we get sick?

    Originally posted by Melody

    90 % of the people that are in hospitals are there because of drug(including alchohol) or tobacco abuse.

    God created viruses and bacteria, but he also created a marvelous immune system. When we damage and abuse our bodies that immune system is compromised and most illnesses are caused by bacteria that we carry in our bodies all the time.

    Our emotional state also has an effect on our immune system. Carrying anger and bitterness will have an effect on our health.
    The scripture tells us that taking communion unworthily will lead to illness or death. Does that mean that there is a 'curse' on taking communion? No, it means that if you don't seek and give forgiveness as is instructed then guilt and bitterness will eat us alive.
    Bravo!

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    Most of you want to FIND BLAME.

    Blame men

    Blame God

    Blame the devil

    Blame the fall, etc.

    Is it so hard to understand that ALL THINGS serve GOD and PUT BLAME AWAY?

    BLAME is the evidence of the ACCUSER of OTHERS upon us that controls nearly ALL of us.

    It is GOD who has put us under the YOKE OF BLAME but I do not BLAME HIM but TRUST that He is ABLE and knows what He is doing.

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    I am not looking for blame. I am looking for a cause, it can help me to deal with an illness. For example if all illness is from the devil due to sin, then I can confess all my sins and have the demons casted out. If it's from God, then I will have to endure and prepare for the funeral and say It's God's will. If it's "just an illness", then I will go the doctor and take anything he has to offfer.

    What do you think this verse means:

    2Ch 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.

    I am beginning to believe that all illness is spiritually caused.
    Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
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    Originally posted by Tatie

    If it's "just an illness", then I will go the doctor and take anything he has to offfer.
    Why dont you use this option no matter from where your illness comes? I dont think that God will be mad at you if you try to get healed one way, or another.

    I see no one time where Jesus tells somebody who is looking for healing: "Go and live with your sickness, because it's what God is planning for you". He didnt healed all sick in Israel. But He never told to anybody either that he/she should bear his/her sickness and not to seek for healing.

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    Greetings Tatie

    I have been following your threads with interest for awhile now and understand (in a very small way) your situation.

    I am not saying this will cure you, but in "christianity" there is a prevailing view that God will torture the majority of mankind for eternity.

    This is the GREATEST SIN and the GREATEST HATRED that could EVER capture a persons heart.

    SO seek your Divine Dr. on this matter if you want to "confess" and if nothing else you may experience GOD'S DIVINE LOVE to ALL people.

    The Greatest Blessing ever bestowed, illness or no illness.

    Light is meant to shine from darkness....

    enjoy!

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    Last edited by smaller; April 30th, 2004 at 10:33 AM.

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    In response to firechyld, my answer is the same as philo's:

    Considering that not all micro-organisms are harmful, it's possible that only beneficial micro-organisms existed prior to the fall. But through the course of all things afterward, some became harmful. After all, it is also believed that there were no carnivorous animals until after the flood.

    Just a theory, though.
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    Originally posted by Yorzhik

    In response to firechyld, my answer is the same as philo's:
    Do you think, at times, demons cause afflictions?
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    Originally posted by firechyld

    Were there micro organisms in the garden?
    Interesting....

    I believe that their were. My image of both the garden and the future paradise is a place where everything lives in a heightened harmony, not the kill of be killed balance we have now. I think that there were no pathenogenic micros (which are a very small percetage of micros) back then, and I don't think they will be in the next earth either. Either that, or immunological functions were different.

    I actually talked about this a little on a different eden/fall thread. The same things occured to me, such as: how did telomeres work in a perfect body, if there were no micros how did digestion function, etc.

    Also, since homeostatic regulation functions pass through the same part of the brain as the limbic system, our emotions affect our health. Being in Gods constant presence and grace must of been a huge immunological advantage for Adam and Eve. (there is a little irony in the tone of that statement, I am not entirely crazy).
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    Originally posted by philosophizer

    Considering that not all micro-organisms are harmful, it's possible that only beneficial micro-organisms existed prior to the fall. But through the course of all things afterward, some became harmful. After all, it is also believed that there were no carnivorous animals until after the flood.

    Just a theory, though.
    Agreed. However, since many pathenogenic bacteria are also healthy or normal bacteria (like E. coli), I think the Lord also had a different means of controlling their growth and adaptation (like maybe those things did not even happen). No Archaeans behave as pathogens, so they would have been fine.

    Sadly, this all falls back on the arguments of whether or not entropy existed in Eden, etc, and gets really trite, really fast. Kinda fun, though.
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    Originally posted by Tatie

    I am not looking for blame. I am looking for a cause, it can help me to deal with an illness. For example if all illness is from the devil due to sin, then I can confess all my sins and have the demons casted out. If it's from God, then I will have to endure and prepare for the funeral and say It's God's will. If it's "just an illness", then I will go the doctor and take anything he has to offfer.

    What do you think this verse means:

    2Ch 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.

    I am beginning to believe that all illness is spiritually caused.
    Tatie,

    Its not one or the other, physical or emotional or Spiritual. There
    are multiple dimensions to sin and sickness.

    The best approach to healing is to approach the whole problem
    wholistically, with physicians, with prayer, with positive
    attitude.

    I highly highly recommend a book called "Healing and the Mind"
    compiled / edited by Bill Moyers.

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    As one who has been surrounded by death the last few years, sometimes it just does not matter one bit.

    1 Corinthians 3:22
    Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;

    We will all take what is OURS in this matter.

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