ECT Which Gospel Preached During the Tribulation Period?
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Why then have you recommended chickenman’s book?
The only one around here that is "too stupid" is you with the quote tags.
"Before Darby, Scofield, Chafer, Bullinger, Ryrie, Anderson, and Stam there was no such thing as MAD.Last I checked, Darby, Scofield, Chafer, Bullinger, Ryrie, Anderson, and Stam were men.Hence, “man made belief system.”-tetty
Tet.'s great great great grandfather, Uncle Ben Israel Preterist, to Marty(Martin Luther): Hey, Marty, no such thing as this wacko, "man made belief system" of yours!
Cricket...cricket.....
Tet.'s great great great grandfather, Uncle Ben Israel Preterist, to Marty(Martin Luther): Hey, Marty, no such thing as this wacko, "man made belief system" of yours!
Cricket...cricket.....
Isn't that the guy who invented instant rice?
Peter was a fisherman, not a theologian. Acts 2 is based on Christ's recent death and the cross. How can you say thousands were saved just by saying Jesus was Messiah? (Mormons, JWs, Muslims could say this). You want Peter to quote I Cor. 15:1-4, but the principles are in His message. Peter did not hide the death of Christ from the audience (read His letters). He did not hand out Paul's '4 Spiritual Laws' tract nor did He need to. The audience knew Jesus was crucified and Peter said He was risen, in addition to Him being Lord and Messiah. Jesus revealed His role as Lamb of God early in His earthly ministry. After the fact, Peter understood this, even before Paul converted.
There is no gospel without the cross. The cross is tied in with who Jesus is. Just because what he had done was not expanded in a Romans treatise does not mean the Petrine, Johannine, Pauline gospel were not all grace/faith after the cross.
I give up. Being shrill does not make one smart, huh?
The superspiritual types who say they just believe the Bible are being dishonest. There is also nothing wrong with books that exegete the Bible correctly. Jesus and Paul used other writings to learn, in addition to Scripture.
You a Bible believer?
You reject the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross.
According to you it wasn't good enough for everyone, just certain people in a secret parenthetical dispensation.
Exactly.
Johnny W pasted a commentary from some guy just the other day, but then goes on and on about commentaries.
STP says all anyone needs is a KJV, and then gives scripture to support his claim of not using any other sources, yet at the same time recommends cm's book.
Nang
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Hypocrites are false teachers.
False teachers are hypocrites.
False, hypocritical teachers are not superspiritual.
They are anti-Christs.
They are enemies of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as this thread has proven beyond a doubt.
Nang
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Odd.
Peter taught:
"Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and he glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by he Holy Spirit sent from heaven . . things which angels desire to look into." I Peter 1:10-12
Peter confirms the Gospel preached comes through the agency of the Holy Spirit, and that the Holy Spirit was conveying the gospel of grace, ministered through the holy prophets of old.
"For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the Spirit." I Peter 4:6
All your claims about different gospels, insult the Spirit of Grace and "wrest" the Holy Scriptures in a very serious manner. Such unrepentant practices and exhibition of unbelief will work to your destruction. (II Peter 3:16)
Nang
Jerry Shugart
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That was many years after Paul first preached the gospel of grace.
Nang
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No . . . Peter was referencing salvation as revealed by the O.T. Prophets who prophesied the grace of Christ. When " . . . He (the Spirit of Christ) testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow." I Peter 1:11
Nang
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Correct.
Belief is not a contingency; it is a result.
Belief is not a means; it is an end.
Belief is not a cause; it is an effect.
The contingency, means, and cause of salvation is the grace of God that gifts sinners with faith in the righteousness and works of Jesus Christ.
Jerry Shugart
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To say that Christ died and was resurrected is NOT the same thing as saying that "Christ died for our sins."
They were saved by believing that Jesus is the Messiah:
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him" (1 Jn.5:1).
We are talking about his sermon on the day of Pentecost and not his letters. I have said over and over that two different gospels were preached during the Acts period.
Earlier I said that you make a statement that is obviously not true. In the sermon that I mentioned earlier where did Peter ever tell others to "trust in Jesus and what He had done"?
Where? Tell me! Otherwise just admit that you will not hesitate to just make up things if it suits your purposes.
Of course you have been given a chance to back up your wild assertion and you have provided nothing!
NOTHING! A big fat ZERO!
Will you now admit that you will not hesitate to just make up things if it suits your purposes?
Jerry Shugart
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Let us look at your statement that "wrest" the Holy Spirit in a very serious manner:
According to you we do not believe to get saved!
Evidently you believes that the Philippian jailer was given the wrong answer when he asked what he must do to be saved:
"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:30-31).
This is all beyond your ability to understand.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor.2:14).
Jerry Shugart
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"Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven" (1 Pet.1:10-1).
Here Peter is saying that the prophets searched diligently in an effort to determine what the prophecies concerning Christ's suffering did signify but it was not revealed unto them. Even the Twelve Apostles, those closest to the Lord Jesus, did not realize that He was going to die (Lk.18:31-34) or be resurrected (Jn.20:9). They certainly did not know the "purpose" of the Cross, that "Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God" (1 Pet.3:18).
Roger M. Raymer writes: "Concerning this salvation (cf. 'salvation' in vv. 5, 9) the prophets...searched intently and with the greatest care their own Spirit-guided writings. They longed to participate in this salvation and coming period of grace and tried to discover the appointed time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing. The pondered how the glorious Messiah could be involved in suffering" (Walvoord & Zuck, The Bible Knowledge Commentary; New Testament [ChariotVictor Publishing, 1983], p.842).
Nang
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If you let Scripture interpret Scripture, you will find explanation of this in John 6:29, where Jesus revealed: "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."
Belief is the "work of God." Not our work. (Ephesians 2:8-10)
Jerry Shugart
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That is an odd interpretation of that verse. But you failed to address the verses which contradict you earlier statement:
Evidently you believe that the Philippian jailer was given the wrong answer when he asked what he must do to be saved:
"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:30-31).
Give us your interpretation of the question and the answer which was given.