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    Re: Battle Talk ~ Battle Royale VIII

    Originally posted by Turbo

    Were works ever required for salvation?

    Something that will be important for each of the participants will be to define "works." Otherwise they could argue around each other and never get into the issue.

    Are works simple good deeds? Are works deeds done for a church? Is choosing to believe in Christ a work?

    I think works are a flesh thing. They are demonstrative of the spirit. Good works show the spirit is leading the flesh, while bad works show the flesh is leading the spirit. So works are merely an observable symbol of an underlying truth.

    Choosing to believe in Christ is not something done with the flesh. It is a pledge to direct your will to Him. Directing your will is a movement of the spirit, not a work of the flesh.

    So defining the term "work" is important. I hope the debate participants do so early.
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    I'll enjoy this debate. But whatever happened to the closed/OV debate?
    You know. John Piper is my 2nd cousin. If I get him to debate the closed side, do I get a prize?
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    That sounds great, LightSon. Piper is a Calvinist, right?

    Do you think he'd be up for it?

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    Turbo, don't be afriad to answer....

    well, Turbo, what do you believe about this subject? Do you believe, at one point, works were necessary for salvation?
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    Yes.

    Now's the part where you paste John 3:16.

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    Originally posted by Turbo

    That sounds great, LightSon. Piper is a Calvinist, right?

    Do you think he'd be up for it?

    Piper is a Calvinist, like the pope is catholic.

    As to whether he'd be up for a debate, I have no idea.

    Of course, if I hadn't lied about being his cousin, I'd have standing to call him up and ask.

    I was just dreaming. I am fond of Piper; got to hear him preach once, and we chatted after. Maybe I'm too easily impressed.
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    Originally posted by Turbo

    Yes.
    On what Scriputral basis do you believe this? Since the only ones I know of who believe works were ever required for salvation are cultists.

    Now's the part where you paste John 3:16.
    Only a pseudo-Christian would have a problem with God's Word being pasted.
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    Originally posted by Freak

    On what Scriputral basis do you believe this? Since the only ones I know of who believe works were ever required for salvation are cultists.
    So Jeremy, Knight and I are cultists now, eh?

    Only a pseudo-Christian would have a problem with God's Word being pasted.
    Of course I don't have a problem with pasting Scripture. I do it all the time.

    But you've pasted John 3:16 in response to this issue two or three times already. I figured you'd do it again, because from what I've seen that's about the only thing you can do to support your position.

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    I have a question. Why is the topic of "Were works ever required for salvation" important to us today? Someone please enlighten me. And please, no sarcasm. Thanks.
    ...so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him. Hebrews 9:28

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    can a person of faith NOT do works.

    dont they kinda go hand in hand

    how do we let our light show, if we do not do works
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    Originally posted by Turbo

    So Jeremy, Knight and I are cultists now, eh?
    Truth is not based on what these posters believe but rather what the Scriptural record reveals.

    But you've pasted John 3:16 in response to this issue two or three times already.
    And you haven't responded to it. But let's move on to some others...


    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.

    Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--

    I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.

    Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
    Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.

    I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.

    Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?


    I figured you'd do it again, because from what I've seen that's about the only thing you can do to support your position.
    Try reading the words of the Lord Jesus above...and then get back with me...
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    Noah woulf have gone to Hell if the Ark had sunk? You gots to be kidding!

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    " God instructed Moses and His children to keep His 10 Commandments."

    Wrong, again. All of God's Children except 2 died in the wilderness? Everyone who left Egypt with Moses went to Heaven?

    God provided a social contract for the people with Moses. Had nothing to do with salvation.

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    ....and we see that Jerry is truthsmacking Acts 5:40 with Scriptural truth.
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    Originally posted by Swordsman

    I have a question. Why is the topic of "Were works ever required for salvation" important to us today? Someone please enlighten me. And please, no sarcasm. Thanks.
    From Jeremy's first-round post, emphasis mine:
    Originally posted by *Acts9_12Out*

    To summarize, the uncircumcision gospel is rooted in “justification apart from works” (Genesis 15:6 & Abram) while the circumcision gospel is rooted in “justification by faith works” (Genesis 17, 22 & Abraham). Once an understanding is reached that God dealt with Israel under the law where “faith works were necessary” and God is dealing with us, the body of Christ apart from the law where “faith alone” is necessary, then the Bible is much easier to understand.

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