A lot of that could be said of George Bush as well.
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A lot of that could be said of George Bush as well.
Why waste perfectly good sarcasm on good people like you Nick, when it can be used on fire hydrant/leg lifting atheists like Fido?
Skavau
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You're still not getting the concept behind libertarianism, liberty, or freedom in itself are you?
LOL. When in political discussions, I often leave liberals speechless when I say the following words:
"You won't find me defending George Bush".
Republicrats have sold out the conservative movement, and hence God.
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I've seen your definiton of "freedom" Skabau; I know your "concept" quite well.
This quote sums up your false religion best:
"Those who embrace libertarianism believe that there is no ultimate authority to which men and their civil society must answer other than themselves and the words of their own constitutions and laws. Men are "free," and there should be as few restrictions on "freedom" as possible."
God and His laws are "restrictive"; He gets "in the way" of moral relative atheist/libertarians such as yourself; hence your denial of His existence, or outright HATRED and mockery of Him.
Skavau
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What's this 'Skabau' business?
I only casually, and at times describe myself as a Libertarian. I have a lot of time for it though.
That's funny, most of the right-wing element in the United States tend to lean towards right-wing libertarianism (when it suits them) of course. Indeed, the Tea Party movement itself contains a lot of traditional self-proclaimed conservative christians.
I don't care what you think God and his laws are. I don't believe in a God. This means as much to me as a Muslim telling you that Allah has plans for this world.
1 Corinthians 5:12-13
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside.
Newman
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This is absolutely false. I believe in the ultimate authority, God, who everyone must answer to. I just don't believe that the state IS God, unlike you, who worship and extol praises to the wonderful mechanisms of the state to exercise control on every human being as you see fit. Christian thought and libertarian thought are NOT mutually exclusive. In fact, they are entirely coordinated.
What we have here, is failure to communicate.
Great points. A significant libertarian political trend is currently taking place, not only in general society but also among Christians. This is a good thing, because 1 Corinthians 5:12 refutes the notion that Christians should be imposing their own authoritarian rule on the larger society.
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Newman
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More like a failure to indoctrinate.
here being TOL?
Newman
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No, I think "here" meant the numerous parts of the conversation we've been having on this specific thread that were quoted in the post.
Obviously a typo (White lie alert! White lie alert!).
Actually, referring to a moral degenerate atheist like you as a "scab" is highly inappropriate. Scabs help the healing process of a wound; atheists (such as you) are the CAUSE of the wound.
A more appropriate term would be "blood sucking leech". You see SkaVau, atheists are parasites that prey on others that have done all of the work for them. In this case, you prey on a Christian founded society that were given "God-given rights" by the Founders, yet you don't want to acknowledge that, you only want to enjoy the fruits of THEIR labor.
If you would like to debate what principles our Founders followed when they gave us our Constitutional Republic, how about we start with this one:
"The Ten Commandments in American History" (all 10 are covered; page one only covers the First Commandment).
http://vftonline.org/TenC 4 USA/UShistory/1st.htm
You'd fit quite well into their Godless agenda.
Hence my concern about the Tea Party from the beginning: a mixture of "if it feels good do it'ers", along with legitimate conservative Christians.
Not many are aware that the modern day Tea Party concept was conceived by the Libertarian Party of IL:
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/04/libertarian-party-we-had-the-tea-party-idea-first/
Ideology will eventually clash (concerns are already being expressed).
http://www.michnews.com/Guest_Commentary/wl032310.shtml
WHAT A COINCIDENCE! God doesn't care what YOU think. He is STILL the Creator of the Universe and EVERYTHING in it.
Ah yes; a liberal's favorite Bible verse: "Thou shalt not judge (my wicked ways)."
"Although God alone is the Judge, this does not mean that only God judges. In fact, the Word of God says that God enables man to judge, commands man to judge, and is pleased with those who seek to judge righteously.
Scriptures clearly show that throughout time God has imparted to man the authority to judge (Leviticus 19:15; Deuteronomy 1:16; Deuteronomy 16:18; Judges 2:16-19; II Chronicles 19:5; Ezra 7:25; Isaiah 1:17; Ezekiel 23:45; John 7:24; Romans 2:27; I Corinthians 2:15; I Corinthians 6
. In Zechariah 3:7 God states that He gives those who obey Him the authority to judge, "Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by." There are also additional references in Scripture to this process of judging that may not specifically use the word judge. For example, in the original languages, the words translated as judge in Scripture are also translated examine, search, discern, ask, question, contend, esteem, and determine...http://www.jesuscult.org/judge.htm
HOWEVER Paulos, let it be known, if I EVER get in trouble with the law, I'd want you on my jury.
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Hello Newman.
As I pointed out in our so-called "debate" that started I believe back on page 11, you are a "Christian libertarian" (at which point you rolled on the floor, throwing a temper tantrum that would make a 3 year old green with envy).
What is a Christian libertarian? You used part of the description in an earlier post (I'll highlight the part that you used in the following description of Christian libertarianism):
"Christian libertarianism is a term used by people to describe the synthesis of their Christian beliefs with their libertarian political philosophy. It is also a political philosophy in itself that has its roots in libertarianism and it is a political ideology to the extent that Christian libertarians promote their cause to others and join together as a movement. In general, Christian libertarians believe that Christians should not use government as a tool to control others' moral behavior or to initiate the use of force against others. They further believe these principles are supported by Christ's teaching and by the Bible.
According to the Reverend Andrew Sandlin while he was at The Chalcedon Foundation, Christian libertarianism is the view that mature individuals are permitted maximum freedom under God's law.
http://www.ourholycause.com/2009/05/discussion-so-what-is-christian.html
I've asked many a Christian libertarian the following question, yet NONE have answered it:
"What is "maximum freedom under God's law" mean?
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