zoo22
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Was it you that had pointed out to us that you'd had a black person use your bathroom?
toldailytopic: How do you feel about building a mosque at ground zero?
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Was it you that had pointed out to us that you'd had a black person use your bathroom?
madman
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Islam is an ideology, not a race. You are a blind fool.
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Agape4Robin
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I think you have to ask yourself one question........ why there? IMHO it's not peaceful intentions. It's "in your face" like a victory marker. A devastating blow to the "great satan" was wrought there. And that makes it hallowed ground to them now. They are using our first amendment AGAINST us. If they want a mosque so badly...... build it elsewhere!
Based on comments like this, I must conclude that yo are a supporter of Fred Phelps and the Hillsboro Baptist Church. You couldn't possibly consider him an extremist, could you.
Best informed guess? It's near the basement mosque they were forced to rent when their previous building was sold out from under them and they want their own place, one reasonably located in relation to the adherents, that they can't be displaced from in the future. It's not as sexy a story as the one you have in mind, but then the plain facts rarely are...
Why? And by that I mean do you have a single speech made by any leader in this mosque that celebrated the fall of the towers, or that called for violent acts against the government of the United States? Do you have any evidence that these are anything other than a peaceful group of American citizens who desire to build a place of worship? Because if you don't you're letting your bias overwhelm your good sense.
That's the question. Is it? And why do you think so. If you're only thinking it because a handful of idiots who were Muslim (out of that 1.5 billion) did something horrible and worthy of condemnation, then I think you're going to have a problem with nearly any faith...except maybe the Amish or Buddhists.
That's what a portion of fanatical Islam believes. But I've heard similar nonsense from radical Christianity. Some Christian preachers even suggested people died in Katrina because God was angry with the iniquity of New Orleans. Should we tear down churches in and around the 9th ward?
No. When any American exercises their God given rights in accord with Constitutional principles they celebrate, inadvertently or no, the very thing that makes our nation stronger than any feral, unreasoned hatred will ever be.
Rather, tell them, build your mosque and help celebrate the abiding strength of a great people. A people ruled by principles and not by fear. Build it in a just and generous nation undeterred in its belief in the essential decency of a free people. Build it and be welcomed. This is America and there has never been our like before in the history of man.
madman
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He is not a Christian, so he is in your camp, not mine.
If you think Islam and Christianity are parallel "religions", you are deceiving yourself. Did you watch the video? I doubt you did. You are ignorant of Islam and Christianity. You are just a noisy, smelly, fart in the wind, nothing more.
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Well said my friend. Your words give me pause. Insteadof asking or suggesting that the would be Mosque builders, out of consideration of neighbors, build the Mosque elsewhere, I am going to celebrate what it is to be an American! I am going to say, as long as you obey the law of the land, Welcome! We are good people and we plan to be good neighbors!
It doesn't matter what their motivation might be. But it does matter what my motivation is.
To all of you who have not let passion inflame your decisions, I thank you. (Especially Barbarian and you TH) You've helped me calm down and remember that I am so blessed to be an American. That means believing and living according to our great principles!
Blessings, bybee
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Well said my friend. Your words give me pause. Insteadof asking or suggesting that the would be Mosque builders, out of consideration of neighbors, build the Mosque elsewhere, I am going to celebrate what it is to be an American! I am going to say, as long as you obey the law of the land, Welcome! We are good people and we plan to be good neighbors!
It doesn't matter what their motivation might be. But it does matter what my motivation is.
To all of you who have not let passion inflame your decisions, I thank you. (Especially Barbarian and you TH) You've helped me calm down and remember that I am so blessed to be an American. That means believing and living according to our great principles!
Blessings, bybee
now you should be able to see
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they didn't have to build the mosque there
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all they had to do was talk about it
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they didn't have to build the mosque there
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all they had to do was talk about it
Come come now madman. Fred claims he is a good Christian. How can you proclaim that he is not a Christian? He has taken a very vocal stance on issues that I have reason to suspect you would agree with such as his condemnation of gays.
I do not think that Islam and Christianity are parallel religions and I never said I did.
As to the state of My Christianity, well, we have all seen your fruits my friend. If we are to know Christians by their love then you have far more in common with Fred than with Jesus.
It looks like madman has left the building and will not be responding to anybodies posts for awhile.
You keep saying things to this effect but I haven't seen you explain them. What do you think they have accomplished by getting people to talk about it?
:thumb: Wonderfully said.
And in some ways this can be seen as a victory for us. A blow against the terrorists who would love to see us fight over an issue like this. Fighting over this; pitting us against Islam, only serves their purposes.
Of course, it depends on how it is done. A great step would be to do what you suggested. Rauf should have a ceremony honoring the victims of 9/11 and unequivocally renounce the attacks. We aren't at war with Islam.
MrRadish
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Not with that particular name, in any case.
Then even by your own standard this WILL be serving their purposes because it WILL pit most Americans against Islam.
Uh... yeah... we are not going to fight over this. :doh: Look around you kmoney? This is one of the most divisive things to come around in a long time.
If I were a Muslim I would oppose such a location for a Mosque simply out of respect for the victims, the desire to make peace, and knowing that this is a very sensitive issue for most Americans.
It's a horrible idea.
If the idea was to show Islam's tolerance and quest for peace with other faiths and cultures, this backfired miserably. While building this center may well be their right it's certainly imprudent, tactless, tasteless, and completely tone deaf.
I for one am all for a pluralistic society that treats religions with equal respect but with that respect comes an expectation for treating that equity with its own kind of reverence. In this instance, Islam failed horribly.
Very well said. :up:
I know we are fighting over it. I'm not blind. But I think fighting over it and eventually building the mosque is better than fighting over it and not building the mosque.
I've said a couple times that if Rauf didn't see this controversy coming then he is naive, at best, and it might have been better to avoid all this controversy by him choosing another location, but we're here now and I think the best step is a step forward to building the mosque.
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