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    Originally posted by Nietzschean

    The problem with gay bashing or any sort of extermination of sin is that it defeats its own purpose. If you're honestly offended by the very presence of the person or the way of life in question, then good for you. If you can remain civil and try to convince people about it (as in only using words), then great! But most people, when they see something they don't like, are not rational. I'm referring to America not too long ago, and even now in some places, where homosexuals are actively beaten and killed. That's not exactly giving them a chance to repent, is it? I would liken this much to the Inquisition. All you'll get from screaming and beating on people is for them to claim your thoughts as their own just to get you off of their backs.
    People here are not beating and killing homo`s, or you would hear about it every minute on the new`s, just like the mathew shepard story.
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    We are to rebuke the wicked, are we not.
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    Originally posted by Clete Pfeiffer
    You deserve execution you filthy discusting perfert!
    And no I am not kidding.

    Resting in Him,
    Clete
    You deserve to be put to death.

    You were saying, Scott?
    "If you will think of ourselves as coming out of the earth,
    rather than having been thrown in here from somewhere else,
    you see that we are the earth,
    we are the consciousness of the earth.
    These are the eyes of the Earth.
    And this is the voice of the earth."

    Joseph Campbell

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    Originally posted by beanieboy

    Is this how Jesus treated Zacheus?
    Is this how he treated the adultress?
    Is this how he treated the woman at the well?

    Or is he "nicer than God"?
    <cough>
    "If you will think of ourselves as coming out of the earth,
    rather than having been thrown in here from somewhere else,
    you see that we are the earth,
    we are the consciousness of the earth.
    These are the eyes of the Earth.
    And this is the voice of the earth."

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    Originally posted by Scottb

    People here are not beating and killing homo`s, or you would hear about it every minute on the new`s, just like the mathew shepard story.
    We don't hear about these things anymore because there is probably just too much violence in the US/World to fit it all in an hour segment. Matthew Shephard isn't the only person, no way.

    Or perhaps it's that we don't want to give violent bigots any more publicity, since the majority of the time these loud hateful spewings are just attention getting behavior.

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    Originally posted by beanieboy

    <cough>
    See post #8.

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    1Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. 2A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. 3He wanted to see who Jesus was, but being a short man he could not, because of the crowd. 4So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.
    5When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, "Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today." 6So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.
    7All the people saw this and began to mutter, "He has gone to be the guest of a 'sinner.' "
    8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, "Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount."
    9Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost."

    Did Jesus first condemn him, call him a thief, as the tax collectors were?

    Or did he first show kindness, and in his kindness, also changed the heart of Zaccheus?

    And the judgement of the non-sinners?
    That Jesus was a fool going to the house of a sinner.
    They thought he was being "Nicer than God", I imagine.

    So, again, I ask you, how is this attack on people in following with your Christ?
    And what can it possibly gain?
    "If you will think of ourselves as coming out of the earth,
    rather than having been thrown in here from somewhere else,
    you see that we are the earth,
    we are the consciousness of the earth.
    These are the eyes of the Earth.
    And this is the voice of the earth."

    Joseph Campbell

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    beanieboy,

    Zacchaeus was clearly had a repentant and humble heart. Jesus could plainly see it. Any third-grader reading the story should be able to see it, too. He was seeking after the Lord, and he ever is recorded calling Him "Lord."

    Jesus called sinners to repent. You can't tell someone they need to repent without calling him a sinner, which is offensive to most people (like you).

    To those who were repentant, those with humble attitudes toward Him, He was gentle.

    To those who were hard-hearted toward Him, putting their own beliefs above His commandments which were revealed through the prophets, He was quite harsh.

    You, beanieboy, are among the latter. You reject the truth of God in favor of what is right in your own eyes.

    If you think Clete is harsh, wait until you meet God. He is not merciful toward those who reject His mercy.

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    1Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. 2A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. 3He wanted to see who Jesus was, but being a short man he could not, because of the crowd. 4So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.

    Where exactly is he repentant?
    He wanted to see Jesus.
    Where was Jesus harsh to the sinner?

    You are adding things that aren't there.
    I read nowhere "Jesus could see Zaccheus' heart..."

    Personally, I think the point was to show the high and mighty that he came for the sinners, so they should put down their stones and self righteousness, and reach out in kindness.

    Jesus is Nicer than God.

    As for me?
    You don't know my heart.

    Nor to YOU listen to your own holy text.
    Christ spoke of an arrogant Pharissee, thanking God he was not like the adulterers, the thieves, and THAT tax collector...
    But the tax collector was humble before God, and said, "Have mercy on me, a sinful man."

    You do not know my heart.
    Although I have shown the fruit of it.

    I would be careful on damning people to hell, because that is how you will be judged.
    If you look coldly on others, and condemn them, so shall you be judged.
    But if you look upon people with mercy, so shall you have mercy.

    But what arrogance to be forgiven of God, and then walk around calling others sinners in a haughty manner.
    How foul that must smell before God.
    Last edited by beanieboy; March 23rd, 2004 at 04:54 PM.
    "If you will think of ourselves as coming out of the earth,
    rather than having been thrown in here from somewhere else,
    you see that we are the earth,
    we are the consciousness of the earth.
    These are the eyes of the Earth.
    And this is the voice of the earth."

    Joseph Campbell

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    Originally posted by beanieboy


    But what arrogance to be forgiven of God, and then walk around calling others sinners in a haughty manner.
    How foul that must smell before God.
    I can only imagine.

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    The story of the man who owed a great sum, and was forgiven his debt, but refused to forgive the debt owed to him, which was much smaller?

    It's so surreal coming here, and not believing the Bible is the word of God, necessarily, but having to use it to point it out to Christians, who more or less, contradict it.
    "If you will think of ourselves as coming out of the earth,
    rather than having been thrown in here from somewhere else,
    you see that we are the earth,
    we are the consciousness of the earth.
    These are the eyes of the Earth.
    And this is the voice of the earth."

    Joseph Campbell

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    Originally posted by beanieboy

    1Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. 2A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. 3He wanted to see who Jesus was, but being a short man he could not, because of the crowd. 4So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.

    Where exactly is he repentant?
    He wanted to see Jesus.
    Where was Jesus harsh to the sinner?
    He had no reason to be harsh to Zacchaeus. Zacchaeus sought after Jesus and called Him Lord.

    You are adding things that aren't there.
    I read nowhere "Jesus could see Zaccheus' heart..."
    It is obvious that Jesus was able to perceive such things.

    Personally, I think the point was to show the high and mighty that he came for the sinners, so they should put down their stones and self righteousness, and reach out in kindness.
    You're interpretation "adds things" just as much as mine.

    Did Jesus speak against the death penalty altogether? No. Jesus upheld all of God's commandments. They were His commandments, after all. He didn't come to testify against Himself.

    Jesus is Nicer than God.
    No. Jesus IS God.

    As for me?
    You don't know my heart.
    You boast about your perversion and claim that it is not sinful.

    Nor do YOU listen to your own holy text.
    Christ spoke of an arrogant Pharissee, thanking God he was not like the adulterers, the thieves, and THAT tax collector...
    My holy text says to warn the wicked.

    But the tax collector was humble before God, and said, "Have mercy on me, a sinful man."
    How I wish you were like him! You are not humble before God. You deny your sin. You need to humble yourself before the Lord Jesus Christ, repent of your sinful ways, and ask Him for mercy.

    You do not know my heart.
    Although I have shown the fruit of it.
    "You will know them by their fruits." Matthew 7:16

    I would be careful on damning people to hell
    I don't have the authority to damn you to hell. But because you reject Christ, you are condemned already (John 3:18 note the red lettering).


    because that is how you will be judged. If you look coldly on others, and condemn them, so shall you be judged.
    But if you look upon people with mercy, so shall you have mercy.

    But what arrogance to be forgiven of God, and then walk around calling others sinners in a haughty manner.
    How foul that must smell before God.
    Now you are judging my heart, hypocrite.

    Does God grant mercy to the unrepentant? No!

    If I were cold toward you, I would remain silent while you wallow in your sin. I'm trying to get you to wake up so that you might repent... so that God can be merciful toward you.

    I was a sinner until three years ago when I accepted Christ as my Lord and the mercy He offers through the blood He shed on the cross. Now though I still frequently sin in my flesh, I am identified in Christ and His righteousness. I have no righeousness of my own.

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    This is an interesting "discussion". Perhaps gays do deserve death, but then so do we all, do we not? If the harshness of your approach stumbles one who might come, where are you? Christ says that He did not come to judge, but to save. Otherwise He would have destroyed to world, not His own life. On the otherhand, if we are so soft that we end up as the Corinthians did, we are under judgement. The episcopalians and united methodists are in trouble, for sure. Can we be soft of heart and yet have an unyielding sense of right and wrong? Can we judge someone worthy of death and yet lay down our life that they might be saved? Christ did. I plan on beating my breast and asking "why I am worthy, a sinner?"
    The steadfast of mind You will keep in perfect peace, Because he trusts in You.

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    Originally posted by Clete Pfeiffer

    God is only merciful to those who repent. Those who don't, He throws into hell forever.
    It is self evident that you're a novice in regards to understanding God's Word for it declares...

    Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

    God's kindness first upon a sinner brings them to Him.
    Jesus Loves You

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    Originally posted by Turbo


    Does God grant mercy to the unrepentant? No!
    Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

    I was a sinner until three years ago when I accepted Christ as my Lord and the mercy He offers through the blood He shed on the cross. Now though I still frequently sin in my flesh, I am identified in Christ and His righteousness. I have no righeousness of my own.
    As a baby believer, who still feeds off milk, stop making anti-Christ statements such as this:

    Does God grant mercy to the unrepentant? No.

    God's Word militates against you:

    Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance.

    God's kindness to the sinner (those who were unrepentant) brings them to Him.
    Jesus Loves You

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